Should harder punches count for more?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by TJ Max, Nov 24, 2015.


  1. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'll be the first one to say, when I see two guys that can't punch for ****, I fast forward it. It's not interesting to me. It's just not worth my time.

    If one guy is easily winning with boxing and the other guy is clearly overmatched, but doesn't have an equalizer, what is the point of watching the fight?

    It's terrible. It's a forgone conclusion.

    Even when you have two guys that are somewhat reasonably skilled like Lara vs Trout, (obviously Lara more so), it was terrible to watch. It was probably the least friendly TV fight I've ever seen, and Lara can punch, but he's afraid to take risks.

    But I definitely fast forwarded through that ****. That wasn't worth my time. The opportunity cost was too high.
     
  2. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why?

    That's the spectacle. That's boxing's equivalent of an interception-touch down.

    In MMA, if you knock a guy down, 9 times out of 10, he's done.

    I absolutely think you should get a 10-8 round if you knock the other guy down. Power is the great equalizer. It makes fights interesting.
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Depends on the fight, like Algieri landed 30 punches on Ruslan and Ruslan landed 3 or 4 but they were really hard, but that shouldn't negate all the work Chris did. But then you have Cotto-Canelo where they landed at a similar rate, yet Cotto's had little to no effect on Canelo and Canelo's stopped him in his tracks often, then those rounds lean to the harder puncher.
     
  4. M.3

    M.3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah everyone why disagree with you is an idiot...

    You don't automatically lose because your opponent his harder.. That would either make hard hitting guys only being able to get other heavy hitting guys to fight them, and/or a lot of sloppy fighting because everyone would just throw haymakers to steal rounds...
     
  5. gdm

    gdm Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Cleaner , harder shots should count for more
     
  6. FrankinDallas

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    In boxing you're SUPPOSED to score for an ambiguous skill called "ring generalship" as well as "effective aggression ". If you don't consider defence like good head movement, blocking punches then every fight might as well be Gatti-Ward 1, 2or3.

    Like this Saturday I thought Canelo was simply following Cotto around the ring not effectively cutting off the ring while certainly throwing harder punches. I gave more credit to Cotto than most people because he was scoring and not running but I'm definitely in the minority with that fight.
     
  7. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with Franklindallas.

    In the UK these rounds dont always get scored 10-8, but i see in America they usually always do.

    For me, the benefit of knocking your opponent over gets them the extra point deducted, so it is 10-9. You then decide who won the round. To just give it a 10-8, therefore, totally disregarding the rest of round, is just lazy judging.

    TJ, you have pointed out that power is what interests you most and that you fast forward fights when two guys fight that dont appear to be able to hurt each other, but you can't just score a fight on what you personally find exciting. There are certain criteria to scoring a fight. Yes, it can be open to interpretation, but, there is still a core set of principles to follow.

    The aim of boxing is to hit your opponent more times and inflict more damage than your opponent does on you. One punch does not necessarily win a round.
     
  8. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    I love you almost (but not quite) as much as my 2yr old English grandson. :good
     
  9. The Akbar One

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    If boxer A is putting leather on boxer B for most of the round, then boxer B lands one haymaker, and hurts boxer A bad, but doesn't knock him down. Boxer A still wins the round.
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    If you hurt a fighter you should win that round period.
     
  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Disagree. Its professional boxing. PRO boxing. Hurt a guy you win the round.
     
  12. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ask this question 60 years ago and see what the responses are.

    Boxing has undergone pussification, but people don't even realize.

    Pro boxing has always been at its core one man hurting another. To hurt you must hit flush enough to do it.
     
  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    What is boxing? It's a combat sport is it not?

    What is the objective of combat? It's to physically destroy.

    Look man boxing is a savage, savage thing.
     
  14. M.3

    M.3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yall trying to change the scoring for select guys who's style you like..

    Running backs don't get extra yards for running the defender over.. NBA players don't get an extra point for dunking on someone, boxers don't win a whole round/fight for hurting his opponent.. It's just his approach to the ultimate goal to knock your opponent out or win on points.. Some guys can't punch hard but that don't mean they lose because they got hit...
     
  15. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    You don't have to punch like a mule to stun or make them back off.

    Vast majority of pro boxers when they land a clean properly thrown punch will do damage.

    Is boxing a combat sport or is it not?