Should Lomas WSB fights count?

Even outside of WSB elite level amateurs are fought with Pro rules and no head guards, a lot of top amateurs are full time boxers and make a decent living staying Amateur.

 

1. Lomachenko and Rigondeaux were paid for Olympics - I guess they're pro fights too.
2. Pro fighters can be part time boxers - hence why one of Roy Jones Jr's world title challengers was a policeman.
3. Fights are not scored the same as professional fights - it's modelled more towards the pro criteria now, however.
4. In amateurs they fight without headgear. So wearing a vest is the only difference between an amateur like Misha Aloyan who'll fight in the Olympics 2016, and a pro fighter.

Sure, buddy. Just accept that you're just playing a game of semantics against titan posters. :hi:

 

Dawson got 15K this weekend and some countries pay 250K even 500K for Olympic Gold. You keep disproving your own argument, seemingly with every post, an amazing feat. Enjoy your trolling.

 

Pros in vests is a saying about Elite amateur boxers for many years.

 

It was the mid 80's when headgear started being used and 92 for computer scoring but i wouldn't expect a noob like yourself to know that. Stevenson is a top 5 ATG pro HW, Popenchenko was the true MW Champion **** Giardello. Go back to making threads about Floyd being TBE or whatever it is you usually do.

 

You're the only one today crying about the fact that amateurs are paid for..

Being 'paid' for it is a red-herring anyway which you're focussing on too much, because at the end of the day, WSB = Amateurs + 2 rounds. Amateurs and WSB are scored differently to pros despite their similarities.
You're crying about the old times, but that was modelled more so towards pro scoring than today.
You're throwing out empty rhetoric now 'The WSB is professional by every damn way of describing professional.'

Any further discussion from your part is just trolling, and I'm not going to be a part of it.

 

It's amateur because it wasn't sanctioned by a professional sanctioning body (one of the ABCs) or overseen by a governing body (such as a State Athleticd Commission) - under US law the WSB has no more legitimacy than if you paid a coupla guys $20 to fight in your back yard gym. In fact to call them professional fights woulda been illegal - I actually took the time to dig up the relevent legislature a while back.

Simple fact is that amateur fightrs have always received some form of compensation or support - be it living expenses or free access to trainers and training facilities.

The fighters in the WSB were told their fights weren't going to be counted as profssional fights - this corresponded with the rules of the professional sanctioning bodies and the laws of the governing bodies.

Furthermore the set-up of having the fighters paid salaries with fixed bonuses rather than on a fight-by-fight basis is conceptually different from the idea of 'prizefighting' where a fighter negotiates renumeration for each fight individually with the result of each fight potentially changing his negotiating position for the next.

Quite aside from this I see the WSB and Pro-Am as hugely important for the sport - in a time of fiscal austerity, where things like Amateur boxing are recieving less and less funding, the Amateur sport - which has given us many if not most of the Great fighters of the past 5 decades - needs to find some way of surviving and flurishing, and I believe the idea of counting the WSB bouts as Pro-fights is a dliberate ploy to undermine these efforts.

The idea of counting the WSB as pro-fights was taken up only by one US records organisation and has (apparently) the sole purpose of discouraging fighters from becoming involved in the event, and no legal basis as mentioned above. Clearly given the quality of opposition in the WSB (where the best have to face the best) losses are far more likely and are seen as far less significant than in the professional sport where careers can be more easily stage-managed.

Several Pro-Boxing organisations (including the ABCs) naturally find the idea of the WSB and Pro-Ams threatening - which may be one of the reasons for the recent negotiations over them working more closely together - but to my mind a healthy amateur scene and sport is vital for the future of the professional sport also.

 

People are paid to be sparring partners. That a professional fight too? :nut