Should Pavlik box with Abraham?

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  1. gigogreco

    gigogreco Well-Known Member Full Member

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    miranda is simply not good enough, basing an analysis on aa-pavlik, on their miranda fights is worthless in my opinion

    ill base my analysis on the way pavlik fought taylor, and how he dealt with a more agile, faster and better counter ouncher than AA. taylor did okay simply based on the fact, that he hits extremly fast and moved well. which i simply dont see aa is capable of doing.

    pavlik is also much taller, and so aa would have to throw his punches upwards which will cause it to lose a little power. and due to the reach difference and their styles, aa covering up, kelly jabbing to find his range, then it would probably mean, that AA would be at the end of pavliks punches.

    the distance for aa to "travel" before being in range to hit pavlik, could very well mean pavlik would see these punches coming. AA is at the end of kellys punches, against a guy 3 inches taller.. that surely isnt the range for abraham.

    to connect he would have to be extremyly fast, because of the reach/height difference. i see kelly being able, to predict aa´s punches, due the distance between them, and abraham having a hard time connecting.

    either AA would have use fast footwork or change his style to a mike tyson peek-a-boo with a lot of movement, but i simply cant see him doing that, he doesnt have the footwork or the speed, and i would actually quiestion his stamina, as he only fights in spurts.
     
  2. mrweddingdj

    mrweddingdj New Member Full Member

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  3. treva1977

    treva1977 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    if he doesnt he will be accused of ducking him.
    i would prefer to see kessler v pavlik though.
     
  4. jsimps

    jsimps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're only stating your opinion. I didn't see any physical signs that Kelly was hurt even the least bit against Miranda and he took some direct shots.
     
  5. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    pavlik wasnt hurt
     
  6. Smith

    Smith Monzon-like Full Member

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    Pavlik would have to change his game plan. Have to.

    If he came forward against Abraham the way he has doen in every other fight I have no doubt Abraham would catch him with one of those unpredictable hooks and lay him out. Simple.


    Can Kelly change his game? I think not personally.


    Abrahams a good boxer, I dont understand this one dimensional ****. Have you actually analysed him fight?
     
  7. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Pavlik was never hurt against Miranda, but Miranda did win the 2nd round, and hey, 1 out of 7 ain't bad:nut

    Kelly executed a very risky fight plan almost perfectly. He went in and out-bullied the bully. He stated clearly before the fight that he was going to stay flat footed, and use his strength and power to back Miranda up. Lamply scoffed at Kelly for saying that, but we all know what happened.
     
  8. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    I've seen the fight numerous times, it's not just an opinion. Pavlik WAS stunned during the fight, he wasn't necessarily wobbled or all over the place, he was stunned but was able to take the damage. Saying he wasn't stunned/hurt at all is not true, watch the fight again, it's either in the 2nd or 3rd when Miranda opened up with many punches.
     
  9. the prom queen

    the prom queen bitter and clinging Full Member

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    I think kelly is concious that he is going to have to get a bit fancier with his defense if he wants to keep his belt
     
  10. jsimps

    jsimps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I guess I'll have to agree to disagree. I've seen this fight numerous times.
     
  11. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Please remember that when I say hurt here I don't necessarily mean he was nearly out or wobbly like on his way to the canvas. He was just stunned, meaning the punch had an affect and did gain his attention, then Miranda followed up with more and more punches and gassed, Pavlik recovered quickly and was throwing his own bombs only seconds later.
     
  12. curmudgeon

    curmudgeon Active Member Full Member

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    Get yourself some better glasses. First KD that did Miranda in was a compact straight right.
     
  13. curmudgeon

    curmudgeon Active Member Full Member

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    He did not, and it looks like he can not.
     
  14. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Pavlik can box, watch Taylor Vs. Pavlik I for that.
    he has a great jab, His defense might be his downfall in the end.
    But he has a pretty solid chin aswell. I'm convinced Kelly can use his jab a whole fight if he had to, prob his second best punch.
    Kelly is also a great finisher, Vs. AA Pavlik would be best to use his jab,
    A basic 1-2 combo will suit him just fine in a fight vs. AA.
     
  15. Ziggy Montana

    Ziggy Montana The Butcher Full Member

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    What else they're supposed to do? Dance bolchoi ballet?