Just woundering how small hall boxing is doing generally across the UK? From my experience it seems that the promoters are lucky to break even and boxers are being put under a lot of pressure to sell a load of tickets or they dont fight. I know a lot of good boxers who dont fight any more because they cant sell enought tickets. What do you guys think?
It is the heartbeat of boxing in the UK the promoters are looking to give a platform for fighters to showcase their talents but it is about ticket sales.You are struggling otherwise. You buy the fight in effect if you are the A side fighter sell enough tickets to cover the other guys purse.It's a real hard sell.Good thread PP.
I know in my neck of the woods small hall is struggling and a a recent promotion the promoter lost a small fortune. I fear for it over the long term the way it is going. And its so expensive to promote with all the BBBofC regulations, thats why unlicenced and WCB is doing so well.
If you can't do something as an amateur and get a big promoter behind you then you better be able to sell 80 tickets per fight otherwise you'll need a knock out or a very dominant win in every fight.
I was hoping Boxnation would be the home of small. Imagine Codlwell, VIP, Hellraiser etc having weekly shows. To avoid clashing with the big bills shows could be on Thursdays and Fridays
yeah i always thought a small hall series could do well on Boxnation maybe not a show every week but a few a month could work. or even one a month with all the best small hall fighters on one big bill.
I know their hav been some cracking shows in the midlands. Don't know if they made profit or a loss but the standard of the shows r very good. Massive respect to errol johnson. Pj rowson, jon pegg and carl greaves. (Sorry if I've missed anyone out) if your on twitter check out @ukoboxing. He does a lot of pr work for the shows also on u tube.
I really think Boxnation have missed out so far not showing small hall shows midweek once or twice a month. FW could showcase 2 of his prospects & have maybe 4 other 50/50 fights on the card the one thing you would guarantee is the fighters lower down the card if managed correctly would really seize the opportunity.It would work. I have massive respect for those guys like Maley has mentioned because it's not easy to put these shows together.I think as well the standard of the fighters lower down these cards is forgotten. People want to be entertained & you rarely if ever come away from these shows feeling shortchanged makes a change on this forum to get away from the usual subjects.
80 tickets you sure mate Steve Goodwin you have to sell 100 plus to fight...95% of boxers are on or below minimum wage ...its a mugs game if truth be told..
Without TV money, there's really nothing in it for a promoter. Any money made on small hall show is generally lost on the next show. In regards to the boxers themselves, unless a kid is going beyond British title level there's no real money in the sport. Most full-time boxers make their living from sponsors rather purses. The majority of UK's 800 or so licensed pros have a day job and need one to get by.
Agree it can be a thankless task saw a friend fight pro who just doesn't have a following was on ticket sales as his purse....you buy the opponent when you are the prospect without decent backing. Had people promising to come...pay you the week before,definitely coming etc last minute cancellations & he fought not only for free but paid out his own pocket. A few weeks later went to a white collar fight a fella I knew was on the same ticket deal he got 25% of ticket sales basic very well known in my area he was getting a fight fee as he sells.Big following & I mean a couple of hundred from my area. Seriously it can be a mugs game as much as I love the sport.:thumbsup
in many euro promotions the prospects manager pays the opponent who is there to lose, and they figure they might make the money back as their guy has a chance to reach the big stage. There is more money being the opponent than being the prospect unless you are on of the few prospects that make it to big promoters eg sauerland in Germany.
I look at a good example prospect wise in the UK Frank Buglioni going forward how good can he be time will tell because he will be well matched..............& it will be a while has a massive following can bang a bit & has crossover appeal the women in NLondon like him good luck to him.....
The weird thing is most big ticket sellers are average fighters ,but the real talented ones struggle selling tickets know a few talented ones who cant sell tickets just walk away from the sport