So apparently Pacquiao's easy to hit...

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  1. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Not at all. Rewatch the bout. You're being far too biased.

    Clottey rarely put power in to his shots. But the right hand couldn't missed. Very few were dodged or blocked.
     
  2. Leon

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    I see the difference. he took advantage of Cotto's tendancy to fight with his head over his knee which is begging to be hit with uppercuts. emmanuel doesn't stoop over the same way miguel does.
     
  3. AnthonyW

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    Not at all. He stood there whilst Clottey closed the distance, then Clottey threw the shot. That's not smothering.
     
  4. PH|LLA

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    Clottey had no opening until he was too close to put his body into the punch. By the time there was an opening, the punch was already smothered and reduced to an arm punch.
     
  5. PH|LLA

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    It's all about distance. Somethin Roach understands extremely well. A lot better than Garcia for sure.

    You think Pacquiao is so open to uppercuts? Marquez, MArgarito, Clottey have some of the best uppercuts in the game. If he was that open he would have gotten KTFO. Look what Marquez did to Diaz and Katsidis with his uppercuts. Look what Margo did to Cotto.
     
  6. bballchump11

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    he's good at disguising it
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVRJsaduS9o[/ame]
     
  7. AnthonyW

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    Nonsense, you have seen the whole bout, which in turn means you have seen that Clottey threw arm punches throughout (which was part of his gameplan, he let Pacquiao unload, then "wanted to make his punches count"). He was not reduced to arm punches by Pacquiao, it's what Clottey was doing the 12 rounds.

    The uppercuts Pacquiao took were arm punches, but they were arm punches that he couldn't block. If he really wanted to smother Clottey's uppercuts, he would have adopted the appropriate defense whilst up close.
     
  8. Leon

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    He is open. emmanuel's good chin allows him to absorb some punishment.
     
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  10. AnthonyW

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    Just because you are open to uppercuts, does not mean you will be knocked out. He took very good uppercuts from both Margquez and Maragrito. Pacquiao has a good chin, certainly better than Cotto, Diaz and Katsidis.
     
  11. PH|LLA

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    if the punches are ineffective arm punches that don't hurt, then his defense was more than appropriate. You are unable to see that PAc uses distance to his advantage in order to reduce the effectiveness of his opponent's punches. An uppercut when you are leaning on your opponent will always be less effective than an uppercut landed from range. You can see in the very same video that you posted that Pac easily dodges or blocks CLottey's uppercuts when they are thrown from range.
     
  12. bballchump11

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    **** idk, I found it on ggole and I guess whoever made it had a crappy version of the fight
     
  13. PH|LLA

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    Pac is open to uppercuts on the inside that are not landed with full power and therefore not very effective. You can see it for yourself on the video.

    I'm not saying he's unhittable obviously he takes the uppercuts clean, but they just aren't very effective. The scoring criteria is clean, effective punches.

    You won't see Pac take several uppercuts like the ones Clottey, MArgarito, and Pac landed on Cotto or the ones JMM landed on Diaz and Katsidis cause he isn't open for those kinds of shots.

    you can call me a fanboy if it makes you sleep at night but what I'm saying is 100% true.
     
  14. AnthonyW

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    The uppercuts thrown at range were blocked by the high guard, and rightly so. But up close, Pacquiao was very hittable. Just because they were blocked at range does not mean that they were smothered whilst up close, and landing.

    Also, the punches were not ineffective. Would you say the same if Clottey had a more active gameplan? Clottey's uppercut and straight right, apart from his defense, were the few positives. So it was a somewhat effective gameplan, and Pacquiao's face afterwards showed that.
     
  15. PH|LLA

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    PAcquiao pitched a shutout, so I'd say Clottey's gameplan was pretty terrible. His face was bruised a little but he was also outsized by at least 15 lbs. And if CLottey would've opened up more, he would probably have taken a beating. You aren't gonna beat Pac just throwing uppercuts and straight right hands. Not even close. Clottey failed hard.