So GGG is fighting a guy who was ktfo by Chavez?

A boxer probably wouldn't just look at a fighters record, he might actually watch him fight. He might know how he's rated by those in the business and he might look at it from a risk vs reward perspective.

 

Exactly. It's not about the record, it's about risk vs reward to me there's no question that the middleweights are maybe not "ducking" Golovkin because they are scared of him, but certainly avoiding him for one reason or another and there's a lot of evidence for this.

 

sooooo "good fighter" means world title challenger after beating 3 guys not even ranked in the top 50 after his last KO loss?

garbage fight

 

All things considered its not a bad fight... Lee is a solid MW contender, plus sperm and Pen quill want nothing to do with GGG.

 

Are Golovkins titles not a good enough reward for these fighters that are 'ducking' him then?

I was under the impression that a boxer's aim was to fight for titles

 

Improvement over Stevens and Adama, though...

 

There are easier and more financially lucrative ways to win titles. From what I hear, apparently people have passed up the chance to fight GGG for his title and people have vacated their titles to avoid him, go figure.

 

Sad but true lol

 

I think everyone's just frustrated at the fact Golovkin is fighting yet again, someone who appears to be a mere "stay busy" fight, with little to no chance of so much as slightly pushing Golovkin let alone winning.

Regardless of who's fault it is, I'm not sure GGG or his team are doing enough to secure the bigger fights. In recent interviews, GGG has gone on record saying he'll drop to 154 to fight Mayweather. Why not drop to 154 to fight someone else? Lara/Kirkland/Trout/Martiroysan/Molina at 154 are 5 options that trump Lee at 160 if you ask me. If he's willing to move down a weight, why not up a weight? Dirrell/Groves/Bika/Kessler/Oosthuizen/Rodriguez/Abraham.....

If all the big fights are genuinely "ducking" him at 160, then surely he's just wasting his time there? Is he or his team hoping that padding out his record by racking up more simple KO wins is going to attract the big fights? Are they going to make him more marketable? I think he's milked the available options at 160 long enough now, and even if he isn't exactly comfortable moving up/down, he should be willing to make the concession for the benefit of the sport/fans.

Lets see what his plans are after Lee. If it's still the case he or his team are happy to notch up KO's the way he has been, then I think the criticism he's getting/will get will actually be due.

I'm not here to bash GGG but we're all pissed off with the situation, and to carry on under the guise of him being a "natural MW" isn't good enough when the odds are so continuously stacked in his favor.

 

"solid middleweight contender" who has is undeserving of a second shot at a "world title". How does this not compute to you?? atsch

Since being brutalized by Chavez , Andy Lee has fought the following

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this right here proves he has no business as an opponent and why the fight is an utter joke

also Andy Lee has a BoxRec rating #23, which is not a perfect rating system but is more realistic , he should be ranked in the 30s :deal

 

very fair assessment.
i dont think they are pushing for big fights either. i think they are very happy where they are at

 

There's no guarantee that things would be any different at a different weight. If guys at 160 don't want to fight him, the smaller guys at 154 will be even less likely.
At SMW Ward apparently isn't willing to fight Stevenson and made Bute 'prove himself' against Froch so there's no guarantee he would be in a rush to face Golovkin. Froch has pressure to rematch Groves, seems to be coming to the end of his career and wants to cash out against Chavez or try to avenge his loss to Ward. Groves wants Froch then probably some easier fights like Bika or Stieglitz. Who else is there? Nobody really worth moving up for. Better off staying put.
GGG is being talked about more and more, is winning awards, getting accolades etc. This is building his name up more and more which will enable him to get the big fights.

 

I'm not talking exclusively about the "top" fights at either weight, I think it'd be genuinely unfair to expect him to move up to SMW and challenge the likes of Froch/Ward (even though I'd bloody well welcome it), but at least there's additional scope within the 168 division for him to fight some other "non-elite" competitors that pose a significantly greater challenge than the likes of what he/his team have been happy with recently.

This isn't about forcing GGG into a position where he stands a chance to lose, it's about putting him in a situation which may present him with more of a challenge to the standard walk/stalk/KO routine we're all too accustomed to seeing. Any of those other SMW names I mentioned above, combined with the weight concession, would pose a damn stern challenge for GGG and he'd receive a great deal more credit for showing some genuine initiative.

I'm not sure what the other guys at 154 would think, all we know is that he definitively has gone on record saying he'd drop to fight Mayweather, why can't he throw other names into the mix? Dropping weight is a LOT more taxing then adding weight. The natural progression of a fighters career has historically always seen them move UP in weight, and there's a very good reason for that. Dropping too much weight is unnatural to the point where as well losing water, you begin losing spinal fluid. Boxers are all too aware of this, hence why I'm unsure if the 154lbers would be reluctant to meet GGG at 154.

 

I get what you're saying. I do think those guys would give him more of a challenge and therefore make for better fights but I'm just not so sure many of those guys would definitely fight him, especially considering he wouldn't have a belt and he hasn't got a great resume. Also from GGG's perspective it's not worth moving divisions and being disadvantaged unless it's for a really big fight.

 

Dude, do you really think old man Maravilla is going to risk his health (and possibly life) by stepping in the ring with Triple G? He isn't going anywhere near him for love nor money. He's getting that Cotto pay-day and sailing into the sunset. The only people who are willing to fight Golovkin are those in Sanitariums.