Personally I feel BHOP win over Pavlik does nothing for Calzaghe as the victory Calzaghe was given over BHOP was clearly a robbery. Yesterday's win enhances BHOP not Calzaghe. Calzaghe will have his hands full again with an older Roy Jones. Calzaghe fans fail to realise that the quality of his performances have been dipping since the Lacy win as performances against Bika, Kessler and Hopkins have shown.
It would of been a robbery If Hopkins got the decision In the Calzaghe fight, he was doing nothing but cheating. The Kessler performance wasn't that bad. As for Bika he had bad nights like that before Lacy.
They havn't been dipping. Kessler and Hopkins are just quite a bit better than Lacy, that has to be factored in. So even if Calzaghe fought to the same performance level he won't look as good as he did in that fight.
It can't all be good for Calzaghe. There is a thread over on the main forum, were the thread starter states that he now has Hopkins moving above Joe in the P-4-P rankings.
Unfortunatly Joe will still not get any respect from the haters. They will quickly jump off the Pavlik bandwagon and replace him with Dawson as the one who will finally expose Calzaghe. Then they'll denigh that Joe didn't even beat B'hop anyway. Edit - Whoops sorry had to make a call of nature and by the time I've come back,the board ninjas had already said what I was going to say before I'd chance to hit the submit button.
I agree with most of what you said. I think this victory does a lot for BHOP and also shows Pavlik to be quite one dimensional and bad at the higher weight class. As for Calzaghe-BHop, it doesn't really show that much except that Calzaghe fought a very good BHop (not past it) and made him run out of steam due to his workrate and class. Even though, in my opinion the fight was a draw or Hopkins just nicked by a point. I don't beleive the theory if A beats B then A also beat C because B beat C... however, I do subscribe to "Styles makes fights" and although Pavlik-Calzaghe would be a differant fight to Bhop-Pavlik... I still think Calzaghe would beat a one dimensional Pavlik who isn't as good at the higher weights. We can say that Bhop has shown Pavliks weaknesses at 170.
Joe has made a stupid mistake. It could have been him beating Pavlik and it would have really helped his legacy but instead he avoided the fight because he didn't want to risk losing and Hopkins took it and gets all the credit. What a performance by Hopkins!
Hopkins gets alot of glory for this win Also good for Calzaghe, people can no longer say he beat an old man in Hopkins.
No. People would've just compared Pavlik to Lacy. Somthing they don't seem to be doing that much of at the moment considering it was an american who beat Pavlik. Pretty hypocritical really.
Like Calzaghe fans have always said, Hopkins was still the 'man' at 175 (Dawson beating Adamek didn't cut it) and was a necessary fight to make all things considered.... I, for one, always insisted that the haters and spinsters would try and pervert Calzaghes very good win over Hopkins to suit their own biased agenda...and so it has proved in recent months with many asserting that Hopkins was 'past it' or even 'shot'... This fight proved definitively that he was not. This win has enhanced Calzaghes legacy make no mistake about that. It will amuse me still more if Lacy does Taylor (unlikely).
Pavlik is no Lacy. Wouldn't you agree that Pavlik has been a missed oppurtunity for Joe? It's like Hatton-Witter. After Witter lost Hatton may well have been laughing but it was he who missed out on a big pay day and a possible win that would look great on his record, and all because he didn't want to take a chance.
Good observation. I hadn't noticed that Hatton hadn't beaten Bradley a few months previous to the Witter fight. Thanks for informing me!
Well to be fair he couldn't really have gotten much better than that night! I feel in the case of Kessler and Hopkins this is mainly testimony to the quality of the opponent. I don't think Calzaghe's quite what he was in his physical prime, his fcuked hands have seen to that. However, rather like Hopkins, his adaptability is such that he can still pput up a great show even at his relatively advanced age. As for Calzaghe-Hopkins, come on, you know better than that, JC landed twice as many blows and Hopkins did nothing for the last half of the fight. If you felt he nicked it fair enough (as did I on first viewing) but a clear robbery it was not - especially on Hopkins' home turf.