Someone help me out here with Wlads "pawing"

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by cardstars, Feb 23, 2008.


  1. RUSKULL

    RUSKULL Loyal Member banned

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    Don't you think that the ref might've warned Klitschko for doing it then?
     
  2. BigBarry

    BigBarry Grumpy Old Man Full Member

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    It shouldnt even be a debate...its not illegal and it highlights your ignorance if you think it is.

    Go take a judges course. Pawing is boxing defense 101.
     
  3. NBT

    NBT Mοderator of Death Full Member

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    Why should it be illegal?
     
  4. The Whaler

    The Whaler My dog be thorough. Full Member

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    Are there any links to some boxing rules manuel?
     
  5. BigBarry

    BigBarry Grumpy Old Man Full Member

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    Here is a list of fouls in boxing:

    1. Hitting below the belt (being a line encircling the body at the level of the navel)
    2. Use of elbows, shoulders or forearms
    3. Butting with the head
    4. Hitting in the back of the head (rabbit punch)
    5. Striking the kidneys or back
    6. Hitting with the antedorsum (the inside of the glove)
    7. Hitting with the back of the hand
    8. Striking with the knees, feet or any part of the legs
    9. Holding the ring ropes to hit with the other hand
    10. Hitting the opponent when part of his body is out of the ropes
    11. Hitting an opponent when he is down or getting up from the canvas
    12. Leaving the neutral corner and striking the opponent before the referee´s instructions
    13. Holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch
    14. Striking after the referee´s order to <<break>> or <<stop>>
    15. Stepping on the opponent
    16. Holding the opponent´s head or body with one hand, while hitting with the other
    17. Using the open hand to fix the face or rub the glove on the opponent´s face
    18. Thumbing the opponent´s eyes
    19. Striking after the bell
    20. Crouching the body below the opponent´s belt defensively or to strike
    21. Biting or spitting on the opponent
    22. Using abusive or profane language
    23. Failing to obey the referee´s command
    24. Giving the back and walking, or running, away from the other boxer
    25. Spitting the mouthpiece.
    26. Cutting or mutilate the gloves (seconds)
    25. Any rough tactics other than clean punches.

    Hope that clears it up.
     
  6. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When Chris Byrd did it he was negated by the ref...
     
  7. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    So to anyone saying its illegal: would you like to explain yourself? Cause the one thing I see in common here is that guys who claim its illegal don't say WHY it is
     
  8. barneyrub

    barneyrub Well-Known Member Full Member

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    just a typical manny steward spoiling tactic instead of the usual hugging.
     
  9. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    That **** that Wlad was doing isn't a hook, jab, uppercut, or cross. I think it should be illegal. He was also intentionally stepping on Sultan's foot.

    I wonder if Wlad's management/HBO would put him in there with a fighter that has decent skills, size, speed and good power. Too bad there isn't anybody out there now with those in one package. Sultan came to fight but was just too small. After the third, he knew he wasn't going to be able to get anything going -- you could tell by his body language.
     
  10. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    I believe the man you are talking about is Povetkin :deal
     
  11. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    Watch the first round again -- Wlad was hitting Sultan's right glove down. He was not parrying Sultan's jab as much as he was hitting down his glove just to bring it down for his jab to get through.

    A parry is a parry. That was borderline slapping. Still a big win for Wlad. He is the best heavy in the division and has been for a while.
     
  12. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    Hey cardstars, Povetkin is a good prospect. I don't think he is ready for THE best heavyweight in the division just yet though.

    BTW I thought that referee Wayne Kelly (same ref as tonight) warned Byrd about hitting Wlad's gloves like that in their second fight :deal

    Neither Sultan nor his corner had a problem with the Kelly allowing it so the point is moot I guess.
     
  13. Kyroguy

    Kyroguy Member Full Member

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    Yeah, in the first round Wlad was doing his best to rip Sultan's supraspinatus muscle and give him a rotator cuff tear.
     
  14. sam_sunders

    sam_sunders science Full Member

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    it looked pretty silly, but if it was illegal i'm sure um, lampley or lewis would say something, not to mention ol'...? silly topic - but i abstain. i had a similar "techincal" question about referee Cortez actually hitting Hatton's gloves (smacking them all night, watch the tape), and found out it was legal. i was annoyed to no end, but eh...queensbury......i was not alive at the time...



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