Sonny Liston vs Floyd Patterson and Ingemar Johansen in the same night.

Ingemar Johannson was 30 years old when he fought London. Yet he is at the end of the line? LOL

Wow 204lb 22 years old 7 pro fights......Ya he sure was near his prime :roll:

He was knocked down for a FLASH knocdown less than 1 second when caught off balance. Johansson was floored by Tomato Can Aldo Pelligrini and hurt badly floored and nearly out by feather fisted brian london.

coming from the man who claimed tysons opponents would beat liston? LOL

 

Archie Moore could not floor him once in 25 rounds. Bob Baker could not floor him in 20 rounds. Bob Satterfield fight( i have on film) could not finish Valdez off. Valdez was durable.


If Ingemar Johannson fought as many punchers and ranked contenders as Valdez did, he would probably have some knockout losses and suffered knockdowns. Brian london who an Old Valdez knocked out, nearly knocked johannson out.

What Liston did to Patterson was not duplicated by anybody......keeping floyd down for the 10 count. not once but TWICE.

- Machen underestimated Johansson. Machen had no idea going into the fight about Ingos right hand.

Patterson knocked Ingo out COLD, so this doesnt count as a plus for Ingos chin. he knocked johannson out not once, but TWICE.

- Machen never hit Johannson

- Cooper was erratic, he had a good left hook but he was extremley one dimension and lacked all around punching attributes. He also weighed just 185lb.

I would like to see johansson take punches off of Cleveland Williams, Mike Dejohn, Nino Valdez, and Floyd Patterson(O wait we already saw what floyd did to him)

 

I Think Johannson had a weak jaw. If 37 year old Rocky Marciano out of retirement in 1960 had landed on johansson it would be a repeat of foreman-moorer

 

You seem to really appreciate those arguments most convenient to the construction of your Liston shrine, while are entirely dismissive of similar- equally valid- points to the counter (any which would besmirch Liston contemporaries). I love the whole Machen-Ingo excuse; that is really a beautiful example of intellectual denial. Again, this forum has devolved to utter **** and essentially a waste of time.

 

Ingemar Johannson deserves alot of credit for blasting eddie machen away. However Johanssons camp kept his right hand a secret. Machen went to europe having NO CLUE about ingos bingo. When eddie fought liston and williams, he knew about there power/styles. He had no clue about ingo, he went in blindfolded.

-In fact it was MY personel tape that was uploaded to youtube of the machen-johannson fight, if not for my kindness you wouldnt even have seen the fight.

More like your an utter piece of ****. If you want to act like a baby then leave, what have you ever contributed to this forum other than critisize others opinions with your bias views? Now get back to your game of sueca and let us talk boxing.


How would tysons opponents beat Sonny Liston again? LOL

 

Some fighters are. Johansson had had a couple of absolutely brutal fights with Patterson, suffering the sickening leg-twitch knockout and then having that see-saw up-and-down slugfest in the rubber match. He hadn't weighed in under 200 pounds since losing the title and wasn't exactly scintillating in most of his post-title fights. He retired after this match. I don't think we're looking at a fighter in peak form.

I think you're really going overboard with this whole Brian London thing- you're exaggerating pretty much everything to make Johansson look worse. What would lead you to believe London was feather-fisted? He had 22 knockouts in 28 wins prior to facing Johansson. He may not have been a destroyer, but I don't see why any objective observer would think he was a light hitter.

 

That is about right.

 

Apparently I did not get my membership to the choir because that is the audience you prefer for your inaccurate stats and rediculously skewed arguments.

In regards to your latter question, I would give a good four or five of them a winning chance.

 

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