Sonny Liston vs. George Foreman

Glass Jawed Liston. Knocked down a grand title of ONE TIME (Two if you count the Ali debacle).

 

You are correct, it has been said Liston was dropped by a 179 pounder, but there is no film, which is why I said “we never saw” Sonny get off the floor and win.

Against George Sonny might have to get off the floor against a guy 40lb or more heavier.

 

You never saw him get off the floor to win because in his prime no one was dropping him!
You never saw Chuvalo get of the floor to win either!
I have yet to see a contemporary newspaper that says Marshall dropped Liston.All we have got is Marshall saying it.
Nope the thread stipulates prime versions of both,so there could be about 12 lbs weight disparity at most.

 

Liston in his 20s his heaviest was 212 pounds.
Foreman in his 20s his heaviest version was 232 pounds.
The lowest weight of liston was 198 pounds and this was not a rare thing,he weighed 204,201,203,205,206 several times in his 20s.
You can cherry pick what you want. But
Liston was easily 20 pounds lighter than foreman.
Liston started his career at 200 pounds basically a cruiser weight and foreman at 18 weighed 230 pounds in the amateurs and he did cut weight for his pro career because the longer fights, he weighed 220 in his pro debut at 19 of age and liston weighed 200 pounds at 23 of age

 

Prime for prime there isn't more than a dozen pounds between them. You are the one cherry picking, and it is blatantly obvious.

FYI
When he won the title Liston scaled213lbs
When he won the title Foreman scaled 217.5lbs

Difference of 4.5lbs
Isn't it about time you stopped making an ass of yourself with these ridiculous statements?

 

Foreman was as light as 212 as a pro and only 217 against Frazier and 218 against Chuvalo some of his best performances

 

I know, these agenda driven posts are just absurd!

 

I am cherry picking posting every single weight when both them were in their physical prime in their 20s yes sure.foreman was 20 pounds above him in their pro debut and was 20 pounds above in the end of their 20s. You keep saying "in their prime" because this benefits your argument of the difference of weight, but you intentionally ignore the fact that foreman weighed between 226 and 232 pounds when he was still in his 20s. for the weight topic you say he was not in his prime because it benefits you but when we talk about another sector you use the lyle version against him,you are a ridiculous hipocrite.
YOU are cherry picking. Heaviest vs heaviest Foreman was 20 pounds heavier than liston when both were their 20s and it is a fact

 

Was Foreman in his prime ,ie optimum condition at 217lbs when he ko'd Frazier to win the title, yes or no?
Was Liston in his prime ,ie optimum at 213lbs when he ko'd Patterson,yes or no?
Both are universally considered their best performances.

You are one of the most stupid ,rude , and boorish posters on this forum,your knowledge of boxing is facile in the extreme and your one claim to fame is your readiness to insult any and everyone at the slightest hint of disagreement on their part.
A muppet with all the social grace of a baboon.

 

Hahah get out of my view you ridiculous clown

 

And then he was gone.......lol

 

Foremans trainer dicksaddler had him "dry out" before fights as if he was a middle weight desperately trying to make the weightlimit(which is unbelievably idiotic in hindsight) and he wouldn't have his first sip of water until shortly before the fight.
He was probably dehydrated when he weighed in. And quite a bit heavier in the ring than on the scales.

He looked alot bigger than Norton and Ali who weighed in at similar weights and
This also explains why he weighed in 10-15lbs heavier up to 230lbs after he fired saddler

I agree with boxer about foreman being a bit bigger than Liston, but I definitely disagree with his assessment of Liston.
I think prime Listons alot more well rounded, technicallytsound and complete as a fighter than George, had a very good chin and hit almost as hard.

Liston looked very good in terms of technique in the Williams rematch showing impressive modern headmovement, well timed jabs and purposeful footwork.

While George just looked like he was trying to beat the **** out of his opponents.


Liston never gave the impression that he only won because of his strength,his skills were obvious while you really have to look closely to see more to a young foreman than just a mindless wrecking ball.

 

A," bit bigger"? Yes around 12lbs, not up to 40lbs as Choklab ,and not 20lbs as Combates de Bollocks said either

 

Yeah I agree. About 10-15lbs tops and in turn Liston has the better skills.
The question is will those 10-15lbs help foreman get through the jab(he has no side to side headmovement and no defense vs straight punches whatsoever with his mummy handposition so he WILL be eating Listons jab) and the right hand?
Because I give foreman a slight power edge once he gets inside thejab and the straight right and they exchange bombs, but foreman will undoubtedly have to take those 2 punches first and still have to have enough left for "the war" once he's close enough

 

You misunderstand me. Foreman is 40lb heavier than the 179 pounder who may have dropped Sonny.