My thoughts.You should have been a member here before the Lacy/Calzaghe fight.People were photo shopping Joes face on dead people in open caskets and starting Lacy KO 3 threads.In fact you probably were and just came back under another name.:yep Keep the hate coming stupid Americans.
after 40 hopkins beat a solid howard eastman, lost twice to taylor, beat tarver who was done from filming rocky 6, beat a LHW legend in Winky Wright and lost to calzaghe who was also past his best. So really the only prime fighter he fought was taylor, who he lost to twice. He is 3-3 after he is 40 and has not beaten a fighter in their prime? Anyone can have a good resume, its what the resume says. Hell I could fight Pavlik, Cotto and Pacman for the rest of my life, I would lose everytime but my resume would be better than nearly every fighter in your sense of the meaning. 'you fought them 32 times and lost to them by KO 1 st round everytime' 'yeah Larry but look at my resume, I am great! the names look at the names!'
Calzaghe's resume isn't great, noone's saying that, and Hopkins does hold an edge most likely overall, though Calzaghe has the better top win, but they aren't THAT far apart when you look closely.
Joe Calzaghe Bernard Hopkins 48-4-1 (SD) Mikkel Kessler 39-0-0 (UD) Peter Manfredo Jr 26-3-0 (TKO 3) Sakio Bika 20-1-2 (UD) Jeff Lacy 21-0-0 (UD) Evans Ashira 24-1-0 (UD) Mario Veit 45-1-0 (TKO 6) Kabary Salem 23-3-0 (UD) Mger Mkrtchian 18-1-0 (TKO 7) Byron Mitchell 25-2-1 (TKO 2) Bernard Hopkins Joe Calzaghe 44-0-0 (L SD) Ronald Wright 51-3-1 (UD) Antonio Tarver 24-3-0 (UD) Jermain Taylor 24-0-0 (L UD) Jermain Taylor 23-0-0 (L UD) Howard Eastman 40-1-0 (UD) Oscar De La Hoya 37-3-0 (KO 9) Robert Allen 36-4-0 (UD) William Joppy 34-2-1 (UD) Morrade Hakkar 31-3-0 (RTD 8)
kessler way to big for oscar oscar way more accomplished then kessler or anyone else on calz record i guess then you could state the case that bhop was to big for oscar (shrugs shoulders)
Man I don't know what you're on bro but Calzaghe is an ATG and he's arguably the best SuperMiddleweight in the history of the division. I'm sure 22 title defenses isn't easy no matter who you're fighting ... He fought 7 former world titlist ... and did I mention he's still undefeated?
This is not a hopkins comparison thread but since we are onto it. Hopkins losses are all contraversal just like the calzaghe fight, No one has answered my follow up question can calzaghe be considered great like many think with his weak ass resume
Great point. Edison is another example of a fighter who was derailed and dispirited by a better fighter. Like Calz, Pav gets props for taking out a surging force.
Winky - junior middleweight w/ 3 fights @ LHW Tito - welterweight/junior middleweight w/ 5 fights @ MW and is 3-2 at that weight. DLH - junior middleweight w/ 2 fights at MW ... 1-1 those are the biggest names on Hopkins resume and they aren't even true middleweights and since they fought him their careers have been up and down. The middleweight division, just like the super middleweight division is just starting to get some good talent in the division. Since the departure of Jones and Toney ... along w/ others ... the MW division has been weak. So I think that Calzaghe and Hopkins are in the same boat.