SRR punching power overrated.

Just to give some perspective on Ray's schedule: November 1st 1946 Ray KO'd Cecil Hudson. Five days later he faced the 9 lbs heavier Artie Levine (and this was not the difference in the ring after Levine had rehydrated, but the difference at the friggin weigh-in) and was almost KO'd.

I think Levine was a MW contender at the time. What are the chances that anyone today would have a fight at WW and then face a MW contender five days later? And a month and a half after that he had his first title fight.

Ray's schedule was absolutely insane by today's standards, and therefore it's just as insane by any standards that he went undefeated for 90+ fights. (doesn't really have anything to do with this particular discussion, but just wanted to put it out there ).

 

If Girle g or Floyd fought as much as Robinson they would have losses on their records.By the way SRR ko both of them

 

Doesn't matter the length really, what does matter is that Foreman couldn't KO Chuvalo with free unanswered punches. Thus his power should be questioned and Chuvalo said he was ok and wanted to continue

 

What matter big george hit him so hard he was in no condtion to countune. Cause he couldnt drop him means he cant punch ?Let me guess you wanted George to hit him to the point he dies ?
Some people here watch Rocky movie once too many.

 

The thing is with Floyd. He is a no doubt a marketing/promoting genius, as well a great boxer. He didn't want to take on a lot of risk like most. He gets boxing fans to buy in to the "hype" that he was the greatest boxer to walk the planet. And he has very successfully done that with the modern day "post 90's" boxing fans... If you look at Floyd's top p4p all time list .. He puts himself as number 1 and Ali at 5 ... To me, that just sums up FM

 

You forgot triple g Hbo have yall beliving he can beat godzilla.Triple g couldnt carry SRR jock strap

 

You think g can stop the bull ? Name a great fighter g ko

 

Thank You

Sugar Ray Robinson is one of those legends that upon closer inspection of his record he comes out even GREATER than people realize. As you stated some fans may not realize just the conditions and the schedule he had to fight under. His record is unbelievable.

 

Regarding SRR`s KO%. One thing to consider is that a good # of those fights were fought after he was past his prime at Middleweight. He last won the crown officially in 1958 when he was already past it and then fought another 7 years. Another factor would be that in his prime when he was a Welterweight force sometimes Ray had to agree to carry his opponent to get fights and stay busy. Remember this was the early 1940s. Guys needed to stay active to make $ but some managers didn't want to get their fighters head torn off either. That`s not good for business.

 

Yup you get these dont know sht about boxing fans trying to rewrite boxing history to make their false Idols look great.George Forman SSR over rated punchers ? Who ever came up with that bs have radiation poisoning of the brain.

 

The great trainer Al Silvani told a story about a time when Robinson had agreed to fight a boxer whose career was coming to an end. "Ray was gonna give the guy a payday" was how Slivani put it. Sugar Ray personally ask Silvani to go down and work the guy`s corner. "all I knew was that Ray was giving the guy a pay day" So basically Ray is gonna let the guy go the distance.

Silvani is in the corner and about the 4th round the bell rings to end the round and the other boxer hit Ray with about 4 or 5 punches after the bell. He comes back to the corner and Slivani says "what the hell are you doing?" The boxer says...'I think I got him!' "All I know is he is giving the guy a payday" Start of the 5th round Sugar Ray walks to the center of the ring and makes a signal like "the deals off" and came out and BANG!!!! One lefthook and put his robe on.

That was Sugar Ray.

 

Good post. This is the fight I thought about when I saw this thread.

Of course Foreman had great power - there are just select guys who cannot be dropped - Chuvalo and La Motta were guys with a freakish ability to absorb punishment.

This OP is just another example of a guy who throws out a terribly illogicial premise and then sticks stubbornly to it no matter how much his logic is exposed as flawed.

At least he's not a d$ck about it, though, like, for example, Rooster or Foxy.

 

Ray Robinsons power come from split second perfectly balanced timing at middle. At 147 he was a brutal ko specialist with all ive just mentioned mixed in. Theres many heavier punchers at middle than him imo

 

I've always thought of Lamotta as the middleweight Mercer or Chuvalo in terms of chin.

Remember when Lennox Lewis or Wlad Klitchsko tee'd off on Mercer?

Or when George Foreman or Joe Fraizer tee'd off on Chuvalo?

I wouldn't say their power was overrated. Even being a mega puncher, you can't KO everyone. I think it took a LHW puncher to drop Lamotta.

 

Even adjusting for body weight, Robinson's build is much different from Tyson's. Tyson punched more with hooks and uppercuts because it would be an exercise in futility to throw straight shots from the outside with guys with much longer reaches.

Hagler and Tyson would be more similar in bodybuild than Tyson and Robinson.