Strikeforce: Overeem vs. Werdum Discussion Thread

I am far from being an expert on anything fitness related but I'm wondering, did Overeem really looked gassed ? Or was he just unwilling to let go his hands ?

 

But the Barnett fight was quality though !

 

The anticipation

 

Werdum won that fight. Overeem was out struck standing, and did **** all on the ground. The only round that Overrated was close to winning was the 2nd.

Shitty judging plain and simple.

 

He look a little winded at the end but that could be all those knees werdum landed on his stomach.

 

How the **** do any of you think that Overeem won that fight? I picked Overeem by UD in the prediction thread, and have never felt more wrong about accepting points.

 

You know, I almost agree with you. He did out land Overeem, and I don't know if good takedown defense and some laying constitutes winning. It was such an ugly and strange fight though that it's utterly impossible to accurately judge. I think they should have both lost.

 

Overeem didn't do anything besides nail a foot sweep. How did he win that fight?

 

Thats the good description for it

Reem clearly won though, through dominance - he was clearly the dominant guy in there

 

I just think he was the only guy that "looked" like he wanted to fight... maybe that's why he won

 

Overeem won basically because he was more dominant. Werdum actually landed more strikes, but....Whenever you get grazed with a punch, and fall on your butt it kind of looks bad. Then, you got this big man over top of you telling you to get up, making you look like a fool, and you barely being able to get to your feet.
That's why he lost. He didn't knock Overeem down once with a strike, and Werdum fell to like every strike Overeem landed (though they were mainly to bait Overeem in more than hurt him). Then you got Overeem laying on you for round 2 & 3. hard to give Werdum the decision.
I gave him the 3rd round though, and Overeem the first 2.

 

You mean he was dominated. Werdum landed the better blows, had Overeem covering up and running during the stand-up, and was never bested on the ground.

 

I wondering why Overeen didn't seems to want to hit Werdum at all, since the very begining of the fight... ?

 

From my own perspective I thought Werdum won the 3rd, but lost the 1'st and 2'nd.

Werdum landed more shots. The thing that is tricky is how Werdum was pulling guard. It was like, he would feign being hurt/tagged and pull Reem to the ground. Is that a takedown for Reem? I haven't rewatched the fight, but it looked like the only sub Werdum attempted was in the 3rd. I thought maybe he had a heel on Reem at one point for a triangle attempt but it was never really to the point I would consider it a sub attempt, and I'm pretty liberal with what I consider a sub attempt.

Otherwise, it was this thing where Werdum feigned being struck, or did get struck and hit the deck, or was struck and pulled Reem down with him trying to get Reem to commit to something.

So, how the hell to score this objectively? I mean to we call it a strike knockdown, to we give Reem a takedown when he was tossing Werdum around, do we give Werdum a takedown when he pulls guard after feigning being buzzed/ hurt by a Reem strike?

I think maybe if you are feigning hurt, and acting like you are hurt then it should be scored as such. It seems like that is what you are risking for the sake of taunting/ coaxing your opponent to where you want the fight to be.

On those terms, Reem really had the edge in controlling where the fight took place, Werdum really wasn't able to land anything significant, and Neither was Reem.

Overall, the other tricky thing is, I think Werdum was the closest to ending the fight which is a criteria I also feel is important. This is such a strange fight to judge objectively that I really need to watch it again.

 

Better blows? Seriously? If that were the case and Werdum was killing him in standup why did Werdum fall on his butt every 8 seconds so he could grapple Overeem?
Bested on the ground? You must understand more about the ground game than I do because I seen Overeem just laying on him....Not really doing anything, but as I recall he was on top.

The fight definitely sucked, but it's hard for OVereem to throw, and land punches when Werdum just drops down to his butt.