Stylistically Margarito would of destroyed Mayweather makes so much sense he did not fight him

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  1. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    I would even go further to say Ramon “Yory boy” Campos was a much better fighter than Margarito.
     
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    PIPO23 Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    Because Warriors like Paul William (6'1) welter, Shane a massive puncher.Daniel Santos had the heart to send Margarito to Hospital. What about your Void? what are u on about? you're only blowing hot air. Bottom line is he was afraid to face tijuana tornado...
     
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    Only in your imagination was Floyd afraid of Margarito of all the people a national disgrace to his country, mankind and to this great art of prizefighting pugilism. Floyd is a far superior and greater fighter to the 4 guys you mentioned. You don’t have to be a massive puncher to beat Margarito. In fact what can be proven is Floyd could take Shane’s power whereas your boy crush Margarito could not!
     
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    What about pbf is better than them all dont you understand? Skill wins fights based on how dominant pbf was against good and elite fighters and didnt get dropped one has to rightfully assume pbf would dominate a slow guy who couldn't find him with radar. Who has no jab no defense who walks forward looking to eat shots and wear down his opponents. Pbf has great stamina he doesn't fade his chin is good his defense is arguably the best on the history of the sport he's mentally tough has an atg ring iq and not to mention the speed and reflexes advantage. Yet lets just throw all of that out of the window as if it means nothing because he's antonio margarito ****ing a guy who got busted for loaded gloves and never had a win of note after hilarious.
     
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    PIPO23 Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    Let's see he ducked Margarito, sucker punch Ortress, didn't make weight against Marquez. IV's dripping in his veins. Rocked by Shaky Shane Mosley. Couldn't stop fishnets. Took 10 rounds to stop Hugton.And his fight of the year slug fest with Baldymore.Capped off with his dad telling him he was fighting scurred.A legacy full of ducking and waiting to fight some legit threats to fade and slide.TBE!!
     
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    PIPO23 Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    His constant promise to give great fight then is running, hugging, and pot shotting borefest! Ah, stuff that. This man has no honor.
     
  7. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Mosely never beat Margarito LEGITIMATELY!! That was a disgrace what happened to Margarito. A lie from the biggest POS in boxing led to the CSAC acting like the Keystone Kops then an already sick Margarito was faced by a jacked juiced to the gills Mosely. The only cheaters there were Richardson a juiced Mosely & the brainless CSAC It cost a good fighter his Name & career. All of them should have been jailed.
    As for thjat Diva Cotto he couldnt even beat a one eyed Margarito who was blind in one eye from round 2 & the doc knew it but didnt stop the fight till Tony was beating his chest & cotto was wilting again. He stopped that fight to save Cotto QUITTING on his Knees AGAIN!!!! Would have bee De ja Vu
     
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    Mayweather had at least 4 legitimate losses but the NSAC corruption & Vegas officials gave him wins he did not deserve. Mayweather was scared ****less of Margarito itsw been proven a hundred times already
     
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    Well yeah, I guess only a psychopath poor excuse for a human would load their gloves. He was rendered utterly impotent without those bricks when he lost them.
     
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    Did Floyd ever get on his bicycle to win a fight?
    Mayweather would have strictly have to have used mobility to beat Margarito and I mean get on his bicycle which I don't think he ever did.
    I look at his fight with Hatton and Hatton was able to cut the ring off on Floyd where as Floyd would then use clinching tactics to hold on.
    Strenghth wise he was able to match or exceed Hatton's strength while they were holding, he couldn't use that tactic vs Margarito as you have to hit hard enough to stop Margarito's forward progress.

    Like Bobby Czyz like to say during his showtime commentary, "No matter how good you are every fighter has a bullet with his name on it."
    Floyd Mayweather must have caught a lot of those Showtime telecasts because he knew exactly what Czyz was talking about and saw that bullet in Margarito's holster that read, "Mayweather" and stayed clear away from him.
     
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    Like i said earlier wishful thinking. Pbf got on his bike and shut out another slow plodder in baldo. Btw margo is no silver bullet he's a blank and would miss his target all night long.

    Btw hatton had much faster feet than margo and could close the distance Margo cant do that. Even still pbf toyed with hatton beating him at his own game. Horrible comparison.
     
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    I have read many posts about Margarito's style and power which is overrated. Before beating Cotto, Margarito got his ass kicked by Williams and other fighters. He was not unbeatable and I didn't see anything special in this fighter. Margarito blocked punches with his face and kept coming forward to brawl with his opponent. That was his style which was so easy for Mayweather to figure out how to deal with him. If the bout between Margarito and Floyd had taken place then all 3 score cards could have been given the same 120-108 for the latter.
     
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    Your comparison on Baldomir is even worse, Baldomir is tough, but nowhere near the style of Margarito.
    Baldomir is more a boxer type than he is anything else. He's got to set his punches up to land them.
    That's the thing about Margarito that makes him so awkward and tough to fight, he doesn't set his punches up to land them, he just comes forward and his target is just you, anything he can get his gloves on, arms, elbows,shoulders, chest, sides..is'nt.…..
    A technical fighter like Mayweather is used to having a fighter aim at his face, that's why his shoulder roll defense is so effective. Effective against fighters wanting to punch his head off. Margarito can punch to the body as long as it takes, there's no shoulder roll for that, and whats Mayweather going to do to keep him off?????? Break his brittle hands on Margarito rock hard noggin is what will likely happen.

    Pimp C, you're foolish when it comes to Mayweather vs a fighter less skilled than he is.
    I've always said Mayweather may very well have beaten Margarito by outboxing him, but well just never know.
    Well never know if Mayweather was equipped and dubable enough to last a freight train like Margarito he just keeps picking off shots with his face and keep on coming and coming.
    He outfought outlasted Cotto and made him quit.
    He's fought many other skilled fighters and outlasted them, Sergio Martinez for example.
    After a very slow start against Paul Williams, he started to wear on Williams and and outworked the bigger Williams in the late rounds to the point many had Margarito winning a close fight that could have really gone either way.
    He did this against very skilled fighters who may have not been as skilled as Mayweather but they were still very skilled and much durable than Mayweather.
    You don't really know if you can beat the style until you face the style and Mayweather sure as hell didn't want to give Margarito a try at a time when the whole boxing community wanted to see it.

    Paul Williams, Margarito, and Manny Pacquiao, three fights people wanted to see that Mayweather didn't deliver on. That is certainly legacy affecting and is why most historians don't rate Mayweather as high as he would want to be rated.

    A much less skilled fighter can beat a much more skilled fighter if its the right style clash, the best trainers in the world will tell you that.
    ……...you PimpC just refuse to acknowleadge that fact.
    ……...and that's all I've got to say about that!!!
     
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    Divac you make a lot of points which I could not disagree with more:

    1. Your statements actually go to show that Baldomir who I will reiterate was the current world champion when Mayweather dethroned him was a better boxer and fighter than Margarito. You may not have meant to establish that but you did in that Baldomir is better.

    2. Mayweather has fought many fighters who came at him who were better and tougher than Margarito ever was. If they could not have their way with him what parallel universe are you on to think Margarito could potentially have his way? When guys tried to rough Floyd up they discovered he is more than versed in the dark arts himself. Ask Ricky Hatton amongst others.

    3. You have the audacity to say how is Mayweather going to keep Margarito off him and you make reference to his brittle hands. The absolute cheek and stupidity of these comments makes me wonder were you have been. It almost sounds as if Margarito is some indestructible force of nature that cannot be stopped. The reality is he can be beaten, has been beaten savagely and viciously knocked out, beaten into submission especially by Floyd Mayweather victims such as Sugar Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao. Against Mayweather all Margarito will do is play goalkeeper with his own head as Mayweather assaults him with his pin point accuracy. If Mayweather has pitty patty punches someone should have told Arturo Gatti, Diego Corrales, Ricky Hatton, Shane Mosley, Canelo , Oscar De La Hoya and others as surely they would have walked right through those punches. With all due respect perhaps those esteemed champions felt those punches were not as pitty patty as you think.

    4. You make reference to the shoulder roll as if that is all Mayweather had when the truth is he has a wide diverse arsenal that Margarito could not cope with.

    5. Please check your facts as you seem to be the only one unaware that Mayweather delivered on giving us the Pacquiao fight which was the richest fight in history.

    6. Yes Mayweather and Paul Williams never fought but according to you that is somehow Mayweather’s fault. Is it Mayweather’s fault that Paul Williams had a tragic accident that paralyzed him? Do you know how Mayweather alongside Al Haymon have quietly supported Paul Williams.

    7. Styles do make fights and Floyd has beaten so many different styles but what he is particularly good at is beating that style Margarito has! The Mayweather’s in particular love that style. His Uncle and trainer the late great Uncle Roger Mayweather the “Black Mamba” loved beating Mexican fighters, going into the ring wearing the Sombrero. In fact another nickname he was given was “Mexicutioner” all in good spirit. So much so in all the big fights in Las Vegas you would see the Mexican fans come and greet Roger, shake hands and take pictures. Surely you have seen the tshirts “Mayweather loves Mexico” and Mexicans love Mayweather.

    8. Finally Divac and I am not getting at you, but I do feel passionate on this topic. When we talk about great fighters and give them kudos Margarito’s name does not deserve to be mentioned with Mayweather. I have no problem with you thinking fighters in a different generation could have beaten Floyd if that is your honest opinion. As Floyd would say everyone is entitled to their opinion. I agree with Floyd and our differences of opinions certainly adds to the gaiety of nations. Mayweather belongs in the hall of fame, some will feel he is the best ever as he says, others will vehemently disagree, all valid respectable claims. Margarito goes into the hall of infamy for his despicable cheating!
     
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    One of the other issues here for the Margo argument in favor of beating Floyd, is that Margo really only got off his punches when he doesn't have to move his feet.

    Despite all of his chasing of Cotto, he was still getting tee'd off on because he wasn't doing much on the way in. If Cotto had stood his ground more in the first fight, this argument would be even more absurd because Margo was never on their level i.e. Shane, Floyd, etc.

    He shouldn't be mentioned with any of those guys really. He tried to cheat against Mosley, and I'm convinced he cheated against Cotto.

    Was Cotto fading late in the second fight? Maybe, but that's stamina and conditioning. Not because Margo's punches were having the same affect as in the first fight. He cheated, period. If he were trying to do it against Shane, there's no doubt he did it against Cotto, which was the biggest fight of his career to that point.

    Finally, Margo had no advantages over Floyd. He also held no advantages over Shane or Manny, etc. See how that works? Which is where this argument for him really falls apart.

    You're right, he outlasted a lot of guys but he wouldn't be able to outlast Floyd. Just as he couldn't outlast the aforementioned. Along with being great, those guys also had great conditioning and when faced with that, Margo had little to no success.

    I haven't seen the Williams fight in awhile but he didn't outlast him either, even with the amount of punches they were throwing.

    But again, whatever attributes Margo did have, he couldn't punch other than having his feet planted. So what you have is a guy getting peppered with punches, while winging punches when Floyd decides to stop his movements. Which means the fight is on his terms.

    This is a fight that's so simple for Floyd, just have him pick up his lead foot and if Margo did happen to throw a punch(es), they'd have little to no power on them. Maybe Floyd doesn't stop him but whenever Margo stepped up, he lost. His fights against Cotto in the rematch, Shane, and Manny should all be TKOs. Put Paul and Santos in there as well as "step up" fights and he lost those as well.

    He'd lose to Floyd also. There's no logical argument for a win against Floyd for Margo.
     
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