Sugar Ray Leonard Vs Floyd Mayweather

Making false accusations seem to be your forte

Fat man, why dont you get yourself a personality and do something productive with your life? We are discussing topics in which you know nothing of. Nor is your opinion valued here..I never see anyone asking your opinion

 

Just like Corrales was Floyd's biggest test to date on paper, but on the night, he was nowhere near ready mentally to fight Floyd and Floyd made him look like a novice in there.

Everything needs its proper context and nuance when we look at these hypotheticals.

 

Utter nonsense. He was fighting a peak Floyd and got mad at his corner for eventually stopping it. No new issue magically appeared in his life that didn’t exist for his career best performance against Manfredy.

 

Really?

So a brutal weight cut due to being 2lbs overweight at weigh in and well-known issues making 130 lbs previously, alleged pre-fight bronchitis, impending legal troubles and incarceration for domestic abuse on his pregnant wife (which Mayweather used against him in prefight build up - irony), and internal issues amongst his management team in and around the fight build up (well-known and documented with him filing a formal grievance against Dunkin and Silver with NSAC), contributed to a positive mental condition did it?

I've already given Floyd his credit of saying he made Chico look like a novice but let's not pretend that Chico had a perfect camp or a was in perfect mental readiness to face Floyd.

 

Nothing that didn’t exist for his career best performance against Manfredy. And no he didn’t have bronchitis. He continued at 130 after his sentence.

It’s funny how you never about Floyd’s personal life or things going wrong in camp leading up to his fights.

 

You're now lying wilfully, at worst and at best, potentially ignorant of the build up. Floyd is one of my fave fighters and I watched him extensively during a period where I say at 130 lbs, as PBF, he's possibly the greatest 130lbs H2H fighter ever. His Corrales and his Gatti performances are the ones that I point to to say Floyd isn't a runner and could get busy with the hands if circumstances allowed.

Chico fought Manfredy in 1999 right - no issues were present then but you contested that no new issues between Manfredy and Floyd fight for Chico.

He was arrested for domestic abuse in summer 2000 and filed grievance against his ex-managers in late 2000, with them countersuing for their share of his purse resulting in over $1 million being put into escrow. This all was happening during fight week - combined with a tough 90 mins sauna session 24 hours before facing an elite, lightning fast fighter in Floyd - how could anyone credibly argue that Chico was in good mental condition, let alone primed to face Floyd.

It's funny that I don't talk about Floyd's personal life in fight build up - why would or why should I? I'm literally saying that Chico wasn't mentally ready for that version of Floyd whilst giving Floyd his credit for beating him in the manner that he did - nuance.

 

He fought Manfredy in September of 2000 and Mayweather three or four months later. The domestic battery charge was already on the table.

 

Apologies - hands up on the dates.

Manfredy was Sept 2000, not '99, however, the core point stands - the arrest happened just weeks before Manfredy, while the formal felony escalation, imminent prison term, $1.4M purse escrow lawsuit, and management war all exploded in late 2000 leading right into Floyd fight week.

Manfredy camp didn't have his purse frozen in escrow, didn't have his management team suing him fight week, and didn't have a 90-minute emergency sauna session 24 hours before stepping into the ring.

Ultimately, the gravity of the legal system on two different, separate matters plus the weight cut, plus the task of facing Floyd all showed up on the night. Nevertheless, Floyd produced what I think is probably his best career performance that night.

 

I took the context into count. Stylistically Mayweather has had tougher fights agreed there.

 

Corrales cut, but was also a weight bully. He entered the ring at welterweight and I see that as an advantage.

He took home 900+k for Mayweather after the other guys took their cut. He had financial motivation to be there.

I see the justice system as having worked with him and made room for him to take the fight.

Corrales fought a game fight but got picked apart after winning the first round. He wasn’t Douglas playing dead against Holyfield. I generally don’t assign too much importance to opaque circumstances surrounding fighters leading up to fights. They all have them and it seems to matter only when they lose.

 

If that's genuinely how you see it, that's fine.

Corrales struggled to make 130 lbs and this is known - he was a weight bully and these practices are exactly why I'm an advocate of same day weigh in and fight at your natural weight class. Even then rehydrating after cutting so much weight below what you should fight might make you significantly bigger on the night, but it drains stamina, routinely lowers punch resistance down the stretch and certainly isn't ideal for chasing down a lightning fast Floyd. From the first to the last, Floyd did what he wanted to do - I happen to think that Floyd won the first and then started turning up the heat, with Chico getting more predictable and getting taken apart with jabs up top and to the mid-section, right hands over the top and wicked left hooks.

He got picked apart and as I said, perhaps PBF's best performance but I don't see it as him having a prefight run up that allowed him to be mentally ready. Money is motivation but having legal representations against your money, management team fall out, knowing that you're going to prison, Floyd ripping you about domestic abuse (you have to see the irony in doing so given he was doing things of a similar nature in his personal life) and the 90 mins sauna requirement are all contrary to an ideal fight prep environment.

Ultimately, I don't actually give a frigg - all fighters go through life ish and winners find a way as the saying goes. In my mind, him being mentally at his best, I don't think he was - if he had a perfect camp and no issues prefight, Floyd would still have dominated him but Chico may have given a better showing of himself that night. I remember looking at him walking to the ring and especially in between rounds thinking he doesn't look right in his eyes. If I recall correctly, a few times he looked like he could cry.

 

Be loud and proud old ****. You've still got it

 

I tell you what red, why don't i take you on a little trip down memory lane. That first quote is from a thread you personally dragged out to 58 pages. You've got that "stiff in front of you" quote nailed down almost to the word all these years later. Be loud and very proud, we ain't see quality trolls like that for years.

All the familair mainstays are in there, including fixating on Larry Bonds lasting 11 rounds and Kevin Howard 9.

Here's some nostalgia for you, that 58 page ripper!

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/sugar-ray-leonard-v-terry-norris-prime-for-prime.570278/

 

Please stop embarrassing yourself. You're over 60 years old. and using emoticons on top of that.

 

this rooster person really did a job on you

If one fighter such as Norris soundly defeated a fighter such as Leonard, what do you expect me to do, cover it up and sweep it under the rug?

what you do is you would light a candle, put it on a lampstand. then, you walk up to the top of a hill (nights are best for this) so that everyone knows about it

The real point of discussion here is how Floyd would fare against the sugar-man.

We already know how Terry would do. But could Floyd replicate the feat? Not as convincingly but an educated guess is that Floyd would give Sugar fits because of his non stop movement, high guard and quick reflexes. Not to mention that Leonard is not the best at hunting down a moving target..

Terry Norris proved it. Team Floyd would study the blueprint and then put it into action while upping his record to 51 - 0