Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Sugar Ray Leonard, at 147

Robinson v Napoles. I smell a good battle with that one.

 

I think SSL was a very talented welter but I do not think he came close to the experience level SSR and his prime was much shorter if we take the Leonard of his last Duran fight his record was 35-1-1 (his 2 comeback fights were not successful) If we take Robinson before the 1st Randy Turpin fight his record was 128-1-2, both men had thick resumes at this point...Robinson's was over 3 times as thick...I think this would be a well engaged battle...SRL had a bit better speed of combo...Robinson had the harder 1 shot...talent wise both were blessed but I think SRR was the best at this weight ever and his prime was much longer. I believe he would prevail and rise to the occasion in a masterpiece

 

Did Robinson ever lose against any welterweight?

 

No, not technically.

By that I mean he lost to a few guys, like Basilio and Moyer, that were ex-welterweights that were now middleweights at the time.

But no one actually at welterweight beat him.

 

No, only to Lamotta who weighed 160 and that was his one loss 128-1-1...pretty impressive...In fact SRR was 40-0 for that fight and went on to win another 88 fights until his next loss to Turpin ,which he avenged

 

Robinson dominates anyone anytime at 147, speed/power combination too much for anyone to handle.

He lost to Lamotta once, but Lamotta was a middleweight while SRR was 146. Nobody ever brings that up for some reason, but it says a lot that prime SRR could only be beaten by a guy two weight classes higher than him.

 

Leonard would take one win across three fights. If they were to fight six times, he'd win more than LaMotta did (ie: 2 or 3 times). These guys are #1 and #2 all-time at Welter, this is no walkover for either man.

 

Robinson by close but unanimous decision.

 

robinson by decision.robinson was so good at welter-weight there was a short-list of one to fight him for the vacant title in 46'.in one of his fights with lamotta he gave away 20lbs and when he lost turpin he was only 1/2lb over the modern light-middle limit.
at the time he was welter king he was known as the perfect fighter and had many clones.have a look at johnny bratton fight,he was ALMOST a replica.

 

I've got Leonard.

The greatest WW of all time in my opinion, and with a lot of footage supporting this notion, the same cannot be said for Robinson.

 

I'm going to come out and pick Leonard, the speed of hand and foot would see him beat SRR to the punch and outmanouvver him if he chooses to stick and move. Although SRR is the better puncher of the 2 and has better timing so it would be a back and forth affair, SRR may even pull out a late come from behind KO

But SRL UD

 

Leonard was faster, footage of SRR near to his prime exists and SRL is definately the faster

 

In reality it's a tossup. No stoppage either way here folks.

 

Robinson 10-5 in a very, very competitive fight.

 

I agree with what have been said previously. Very close, and perhaps would Robinon's somewhat superior power make the difference.

But he was, on the other hand, very lean at this weight, and perhaps this would have meant that Leonard would have some joy at the inside with body punches. Not too much dissimilar to how he chopped down Hearn's body. Robinson wasn't as rangy as Hearns, but he was rangy.

This could possibly be a key. I don't think Leonard stops Robinson, but if he put in some good body work Robinson might just fade down the stretch. The opposite could of course also be true.