Sugar says Lewis is alltime great yet only top 12

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    And this is the hammer that has been used to pound Lewis into the ground ever since. H2h, Lewis is indeed vulnerable to great punchers in a way that Ali or Jeffries is not. But also had a tendancy to perform better the better his opponent.
     
  2. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lewis;s 2 one punch losses where just that, it does not reflect the great offence Lennox had but its not something we can forget , Imagine if Lewis was never beaten by either man, we would not see his weakness and would have him rated much higher, Lewis had a great offence but did not have great recup powers. I still have him in my top 12 but higher than 12
     
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    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Both would KO Marciano in 1 round, so it's a moot point.:good
     
  4. McGrain

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    It's so much fun when we agree. But that isn't happening right now.
     
  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Sonny Liston would knock rahman and mccall out on the same night in a total of 5 rounds:good
     
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    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    in case you guys hadvnt noticed, Sonny Liston is my new favorite. so the marciano critism wont work anymore. good thing about this, their is not much you can critisize liston on h2h or in his prime without sounding like an idiot.
     
  7. McGrain

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    At his best he would KO Rahman in four.

    McCall would make the distance.
     
  8. McGrain

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    1 - Sonny Liston
    2 - James J Braddock
    3 - Joe Louis
    4 - The Rest.

    These are my favourites - but what changed your mind, why Liston over Marciano?
     
  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    well my all time favorite fighters are still marciano, louis, pep and walcott.
    but listons right up their now and as far as ability goes he has surpassed most and he now rates in my top 2-3 heavyweights of all time.



    both marciano and liston are in my top 5. A good part of my criteria list is head to head, and yes I do think the rock matches up well h2h vs other greats, but I think maybe only muhammad ali and perhaps a absolute peak joe louis could beat sonny liston. louis vs liston is 50-50. I think a peak 1958 sonny liston is an absolute monster, and I posted in my mini article months back, he has the accomplishments to back it up.


    Joe Louis and Sonny Liston had it all. They were the ultimate Boxer-Punchers
     
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    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    mccall would start crying after getting hit by liston and quit :lol: lol jk
     
  11. McGrain

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    Mine would be Burley and Liston.

    I can't imagine any reason to ever place him above Ali though (assuming Louis is your #1).

    I agree with you that Louis/Liston is very close, although I favour Louis.
     
  12. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    lennox lewis was by far the best superheavyweight in history, far better than bowe. Lennox at his peak had it all, and on his best night would be a nightmare for most champs in history. His jab was a beauty, two fisted knockout power, very good punching technique(unlike vitali), great ring technician however he had a major flaw........a very vunerable chin. He did not recup well and he had a horrible habit of dropping his left low after jabbing
     
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    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I'd take Liston over Rahman. Aside from chin, they are probably even in terms of ability, where Rahman simply has no chin.

    McCall would make it the distance, will have to review if I pick him or not however.
     
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    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I can criticise him plenty. He was plodding, had many defensive lapses, he leaned into his jab way too much etc. etc. etc.

    Stylistically he's somewhat similiar to Rahman, ability wise about the same also, though, Rahman is chinless.

    I'd take Lewis over Liston, very heavy favourite.
     
  15. McGrain

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    WTF? Equal in ability? Why do you say that? Rahman demonstrated limited in-fighting, Liston was excellent. Rahman did not have on single better punch. He was a worse ring general, had a worse chin, was weaker and no quicker.

    It is literally a no contest, it is impossible for Rahman to win a round.