Talent wise Tyson was athe greatest HW ever

I see what you're saying, but I'm saying he'd have to finish Ali off early or his chance of winning nearly as great. This is the HW divisiion where one punch could change a fight. Tyson had that punch. He may have not landed it on Quick, but that doesn't make it a far gone conclusion that he couldn't catch Ali who had a great chin, but was put down by a one dimensional Joe Fraizer.

 

Based on what logic?

 

I know Ali could be a great challenge for Tyson and possibly give him trouble with the clinch, but in the early rounds Tyson is as dangerous and they come. I used to think about Tyson' weak psyche which is a good point, but contrary to popular belief Tyson has always had trouble with that. Even in the jr olympic, he doubted his abilities, but he had the right people in his corner who gave him confidence in his abilities and he went on to destroy his opponents. Ali would be his greatest challenge in that area. Liston and Foreman intimidating indeed, but in the end its not a battle of intimidations, Tyson was to skilled for either man.

 

Pointing out the lack of talent in the HW division in Tyson's time isn't his fault. True ali faced stiffer competition. It goes without saying that Ali is the king of psyching out his opponents, but Tyson always had problems in that area and came out on top, his weakness is just more apparent now. An Ali that got put down by a 1 dimensional Fraizer would not have gotten up if Tyson landed that clearly even though his chin is great. If Fraizer can land that clearly then there is no doubt Tyson will.

 

People often say that if Ali could rope-a dope Foreman then he could automatically take Tyson's punches etc.. but the difference between Tyson and Foreman's punching is that Tyson is more precise, therefore making it more effective. As far as the mental games, thats why I said Tyson would have to get him out of there early, which he has the talent and power to do.

Now looking at the Douglas Fight, do you really think that was a prime Tyson? He looked the part, but he was missing one thing. His corner. His corner is what kept him rooted when he doubted his abilities in the jr Olympics. He had a bunch of hype men telling him how great he was etc, but he wasn't really prepare like he usually is. Great performance by Douglas.

Do you really believe a Marciano who got knocked down by a light heavy in Archie Moore would stand a chance against the kind of power that Tyson produced? I don't think so. Do you think he could hand the skill of a Tyson? No way.

There is no doubt that Tyson's greatness didn't last as long as it could have potentially lasted. He had the skills, but as I've said he lost his grounding and collaped from the inside out. He's not wasted talent, he just didn't fulfill all that his talents had could have fulfilled.

 

Yes, why not believe it? How many times have you seen a great fighter have trouble against less opposition get the victory, and then destroy another good or great figher in there next bout. This is the heavyweight division son, where anything can happen. Tyson has the talent to give anyone trouble.

 

do you read the post? I already said he's have to end it early with Ali or his chances of winning fade. He has what it takes to end it early.

 

Tyson was a skilled fighter that what he was.

Secondly, when did Fraizer knock Tyson down. I had no idea Tyson was that old I know what you meant, but As I keep saying over and over again. Please read.... Tyson would have to end it early with a figher of Ali's caliber or his chances of winning fade. He has the talent to put anyone away early.