Taylor-Chavez Judge

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  1. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    haha, yeah duva may be kind of..eccentric but he knew damn well taylor would not get a fair shake if steele was the ref. don king couldn't let chavez lose and steele took the only opportunity to make it work...

    as for scoring, damage or not, taylor owned him completely. he made chavez look like plooding and amateurish. 2 rounds is generous and that's without punch stats. it's the flurries, the combos, the movement the sheer boxing genius taylor exhibted. if you're going by damage taken, then chuvalo beat ali in both fights!
     
  2. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lou Duva proved on the same episode of Legendary Nights when he talked about Richard Steele (who later deducted two crucial points from Chavez in his first official loss) that he has no problem completely lying about what happened.

    Duva said Steele had a history of favoring King's fighters. When was this history prior to this bout? Tyson-Ruddock I came a year after Chavez-Taylor I.
     
  3. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    oh yeah, duva was full of **** (i believe he said that he told taylor to box and move during the last round when evidence shows he told taylor to win that round and brawl cause he needed it). i don't know of questionable decisions but it was steele's personal relationship with don king that they were worried about. the rumour was they were close and that was where duva's concern lay.
     
  4. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    5 or 6 years of boxing wiser, and removed from the complete and utter brainwashing that the HBO commentators do so well to those who dont have a semblance on how to score a boxing match.

    Jim Lampley even admitted it months after the fight......he said, that although Taylor in his opinion was winning, he reviewed the tape and they were clearly calling the fight with a bias toward Taylor, and neglecting to point out the hard straight rights that Chavez would land through each Taylor shoeshine!


    Make no mistake about it gentleman, Meldrick Taylor got systematically beatdown, and knocked out!!!!


    .......:lol: :lol: :lol: its laughable that many point to a Taylor boxing lesson!
    Clearly, I'd love to be at the recieving end of that particular boxing lesson!:yep
     
  5. Pat_Lowe

    Pat_Lowe Active Member Full Member

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    The HBO commentators were very biased and I can remember quite a few moments where Taylor would flurry but then Chavez would land a couple of shots and finish the exchange and the commentators would just talk about Taylor's shots.

    Regardless I still think Taylor was ahead at the time of the stoppage, he hadn't won like 10 or 11 of the rounds like the HBO judge had it but he was outlanding Chavez by quite alot. Chavez was landing the harder punches but Taylor shouldn't be penalised because he doesn't hit as hard as Chavez and because he cuts and swells easier. Taylor's sheer volume of punches put him in the lead.
     
  6. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    that was the worst beating ever dished out by a plodding amateur and duva jumping up on the apron is an automatic disqualification so he did more to help meldrick lose than steele did.
     
  7. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    sorry sweet pea, i was trying to respond to jorodz
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    As equally as bad as the stoppage in this bout, it's a shame championship bouts are not 15 rounders, as there would have been no controversy because Chavez would have had 3 rounds left to finish him off proper and nobody would have argued that stoppage with that in mind.
     
  9. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're right there would'nt have been 3 more rounds, because Steele would have stopped it exactly where he did except without the controversy created by Taylor being oh so close to finishing the bout.
     
  10. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    The fight would not have gone on three more rounds, because Steele would have stopped it exactly when he did and everyone would have applauded the stoppage.

    Steele gets criticized even today because Taylor was so close to the finish line.

    Poor Richard, what could he have done different??????Taylor is unresponsive, and yet they criticize him for stopping it!:-(
     
  11. aliwasthegreatest

    aliwasthegreatest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    this is going to turn into a completely different topic. i had taylor ahead. but i could see someone liking Chavez's work more than Taylors
     
  12. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    bump (cause i'm drunk and ready to fight!)
     
  13. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    "We need this here round."
    ......that Lou Duva's instruction upon sending his fighter out for the final round against Chavez.
    Duva was watching the same fight that Chuck Giampa was watching.

    Poor Lou Duva only changed his tune about his intructions in hindsight, when the biased media was telling him at ringside Taylor was winning.:-(
     
  14. Jorodz

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    i remember that legendary nights: duva ****ing lied right to the ****ing crew and stated he would never tell taylor to go out and fight the 12th round. then they showed the footage of him doing just that.

    there is no logical way to score that fight for chavez unless you give points for getting hit in the face, get outworked and made to miss. NOW looking back, chavez did AMAZING work inside and did far more damage, specially with the straight right. but on the 10 point must system, he won maybe 3 rounds
     
  15. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Yeah I had rounds 5 & 10 for him but I will rewatch this fight once I get Taylor's career set. Taylor did appear tired especially in the last rounds and it was only a matter of time before Chavez would get to him. Much respect to both fighters as they put on a fight about 20 years ago(Yeah, believe it or not:lol:) that is still talked about and debated upon to this day. Great,epic fight:good