Tell me why you are now so sure Wilder would beat Joshua if Joshua rebuilds

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Deontay Wilder is not Chris Byrd
    Anthony Joshua is not the President

    If you can transplant Ike Ibeabuchi heart into Joshua body...then you got something
     
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  2. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Ruiz did something wilder will never be able to do and that's out box Aj a bigger longer guy wilder has a chance but because of his speed
     
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  3. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Lancashire-la-la-la Full Member

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    Interesting thought, If Joshua beats Ruiz in the rematch, will Wilder still want ridiculous money for the unification??

    AJ now looks easier to beat than Fury for Wilder.
     
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  4. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    You wot mate??

    Wilder will not be looking to outbox Joshua :lol:

    He will be looking to scalp his head off his shoulders.
     
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  5. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Does Inoue outbox or Inbox his opponents?
     
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  6. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    he needs to set it up if he just goes for it he leaves himself open
     
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  7. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    So you think Joshua is hard to hit clean?

    When did Joshua begin using head movement?
     
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  8. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    both lol
     
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  9. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    he's the same size as wilder he's not shorter and dont get me wrong i now give wilder the edge
     
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  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ok lets try again
    You wrote
    so with that in mind that you feel Wilder is too fast and athletic for Joshua, I asked
    Did you feel Ortiz was faster than Joshua? I ask as for periods Ortiz was beating Wilder.

    The point is, you feel Wilder is all these things compared to Joshua (and im not saying you may not be correct), yet Ortiz, who I think is slower, less athletic and less fast and explosive than Joshua was beating Wilder for periods
    I think Klitschko was faster and lighter on his feet than Joshua, but it wasnt me making that comparison. That was you
    Fair enough
    He did and that wasnt in question or disputed by me. I noted Ortiz was winning for periods. There was also a period where Wilder looked to get extra time after the minutes break to be inspected by the ref
     
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  11. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    Size doesn't come into it.

    The problem for Joshua, is that he is stiff in his movement, predictable in his combinations which means he's easy to time and counter

    Ruiz showed the way on how to beat him: go on the front foot with pressure, do not be intimidated and let Joshua to commit and make basic errors.

    Wilder in comparison is not as stiff in his movement and varies his shots from a very underrated jab, can comfortably target the body without leaving himself vulnerable and possesses the ultimate equalizer in his right hand which can end the fight at any moment.

    The only way to beat Wilder is to outbox him and avoid getting knocked out. I don't think Joshua hits hard enough to end Wilder without getting seriously hurt himself.
     
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  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Comparisons can sometimes be misleading. Look at how Ruiz got up against Wilder and came back to wobble him, going into something like the 9th round whereas Joshua clearly won in 3 rounds
     
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  13. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    You mean Ortiz?

    And Joshua clearly won in 3 rounds against who?
     
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  14. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    this requires boxing ability that wilder dose not possess
     
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  15. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    Like I said before Wilder wouldn't trying to deliver a Floyd esque boxing masterclass to a 12 UD. He would be going in there to wipe Joshua off the planet.
     
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