Terry Norris .Vs. Ray Leonard ('81 Version).

If Terry had a china chin then why was it Leonard down on the canvas-twice courtesy of Terrible Terry Norris?

Why Wayne? I demand to know!

Don't worry, I'll answer for you, because Ray couldnt deal with the speed or power. :smoke

See how nice it is to have the facts on your side?

 

Hagler was most definitely shot for leonard which is why Ray chose to come out after 5 years and no other reason. Ray picked Hagler after refusing to fight him, and also picked a fight with Terry and most fervently wished afterwards that he hadn't.

 

Less shot than Curry and Mugabe by far though.

And he had just ko'd a prime Mugabe in his previous fight

 

Hard to say. As I watched Marvin in sparring prior to the actual fight, I strongly felt he should not have been boxing as he had fallen far shot of his standards performance wise. This was definitely not the Hagler I had come to know and resembled a sick old fighter.

And Curry had never recovered from his fight with Lloyd Honeyghan. I felt they put him in too soon with Mike and Mike pretty much finished him. So Donald, although he had something left, was no longer the top competitor in his weight class.

There were those who felt Donald would still defeat Terry but following the aftermath told me "I knew he was good but I didnt know he was that good"

"So good so young, he wins in such effortless fashion like the true champion he is" I told them.

I added that it was a testament how he far he came from the depths of defeat and was no on top with nobody to unseat him. Even as champion, was forced to prove himself, beating the cream of the crop, and passing every test with flying colors. Terry was on top and we all knew he'd be there a while.

 

Can't say exactly how good John was at the time you know?

After all he had just become champion hadnt he. how can a new champion be faded?

Looking at this matchup it was hard to determine because Terry quickly destroyed him with a lightning left. It was devastating watching his entire body shudder and turn violently as it landed with with frightening impact. Anyone else would have been on the floor

I felt bad for John in front of his homecrowd in Florida. It wasnt envisioned that it would turn out like this. Many felt John would do to Terry what Jackson had. But Jackson was special.

I will say that with audiences, Terry had no place with the Mugabi's and other well known superstars of the sport. he was looked at as an upstart and nobody likes an upstart.

You could see this in his match with the great Leonard at MSG. Terry only had the support of his family and relatives. But when you have the enormous prowess of norris going for you, you don't need to get the crowd on your side. no gimmicks or concessions are necessary.

The thing I like the most about Terry is how quickly he gets the opponent's respect. You can see it on their faces-they know they have a live wire in front of them.

Terry takes control of a situation early and lets the opposition know who's boss.

Which is why I say if you can hurt a man quickly, you put him in line. I see it all the time in these UFC fights where the loser becomes disabled except that Terry disables men with his fists as he scrambles their brains. :!:

 

How can a new champion be faded ??? By being less of a fighter than he was before. Simple. How can a man who had 2 of his biggest wins ( Hearns an Mugabe ) be faded ? Simple he was not the man he was when he beat Minter. Ray Leonard of 80 - 81 stops the Ray of the Norris fight.

 

What about Hagler's 64 fights before Hearns they don't count?

You obviously havent thought this out. It is well known Hagler was faded. When you have the number of bouts Marvin did at that level you wear out.

Ray Leonard did not have nearly the same number and was much fresher and hence you have no proof whatsoever. Tough luck I guess.

Please don't bring up this revisionist history that ray was faded. he was 3-1 to win. I know you dont like acknowledging it. No one does but it's fact. It's also fact that the better fighter beat him.

mugabi too fell victim to the same superior fighter, victim of a left hook. Just like Terry beat everyone else at that weight, something Mugabi and Leonard couldnt do.

 

You're living in a bubble. :good

 

Anyways, I've won this debate hands down. No one's come close to giving a legitimate case to Leonard. They've all back down when pressed, and that means it's over.

I'm leaving ESB forever. It's been my goal to leave my mark with 5,000 posts in which I was thwarted a few years back when the site crashed but am now within reach. Just let me do two more posts and I'll cut out and leave ESB community to bs each other. Don't try to reach me I wont answer

 

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Ray would win.

 

To me, this seems simple. Norris made his name by fighting an old, over the hill, way past it, inactive Leonard, who had only faced other older fighters in recent years (except for the very limited Lalonde). The fight was meaningless. The '81 Leonard would have to respect Norris's power early on by boxing and moving the way he did with Hearns, but at some point Terry would slow down, and Ray did everything Terry did even better, and would at some point catch him and take him out.

Keep this in mind. Leonard made his comeback in ‘87 after not fighting for three years. He had not fought for two years prior to his ‘84 bout with Howard, when he re-retired. After Hagler, Ray only fought once in ’88, to Lalonde. He fought twice in ’89, with Hearns and Duran, both guys from his generation. He did not fight at all in ’90. When he met a young, frisky 23-year-old Terry Norris in ’91, Ray Leonard was 34 years old, approaching 35, and from early ’82, after the Finch fight, had only fought five times in almost 9 years. Try doing something only five times in 9 years, and see how good you are at it. He simply was not physically the same guy anymore. No one can maintain a high level of physical boxing sharpness on such a paltry schedule, and mix that in with age and age difference, and you have disaster waiting to happen, which is why I predicted that Norris would easily handle him. But that doesn’t change the fact that the Ray Leonard in ’81-82 would have KO’d Norris.