That's What He Was SUPPOSED To Be Doing.....

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  1. KhanB

    KhanB Active Member Full Member

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    Even though it seems to me most Calzaghe fans bash my boy Hopkins I feel
    its only bcuz they know those two have something in common. I'll admit
    Hops doesnt have the resume with the biggest names on it and is an ATG
    more for his consistency over the years. I think Calzaghe has the same
    situation bcuz aside from Lacy and Kessler the rest of his resume is nothing
    special but its not easy for any fighter to hold onto his belts for years.
     
  2. VIPERMAN

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    eubank was a very good win for calzaghe
     
  3. David UK

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    34 out of 35 boxing writers picked Lacy to beat him, so if that's not a real threat, I don't know what is!!
     
  4. Words

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    One upset does not a career make David. I'm glad he finally stepped up but what took him so long?
     
  5. yesihavearm

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    Dawg its not about who he's beat, its how he's done it.

    On ability alone, Calzaghe is the best p4p fighter in the world - has been for years.

    You put him up against any of your greats and he'll stand up against any of them. There's been good threads on how Calzaghe would shutout Hagler, Hagler would have a nightmare against him.

    Sugar Ray Leonard says in his own book that Calzaghe is the best fighter he's seen, and when asked by Michael J Fox who would win between the two of them he says Calzaghe.

    The only reason people degrade Calzaghe's opposition is because of the way he's handled them. If you compare Hopkins's resume to Calzaghe's - Where are these world class middleweights that everyone keeps talking about that Hopkins fought ? Where are they ?

    Trinidad - Welterweight
    De la Hoya - Welterweight
    Wright - Light-Middleweight

    Tarver - Most over-rated fighter ever to box.


    Calzaghe would shutout Trinidad and De la Hoya. It wouldnt even be funny to watch.

    Calzaghe has actually fought better SMW's than Hopkins has Middleweight's yet everyone says Hopkins is ATG ? Well if your basing it on ability, then Calzaghe has to be there aswell.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Mikkel Kessler, Super Middleweight Super Champion. Undefeated in 39 fights. Opponents in total career to have losing record at time of fight...one. Ten fights preceding loss to Joe Calzaghe all title opportunities/defenses against world-rated opposition. Number of opponents classified as big names in the US tv market with crossover superstar status...zero. Relevance to status as great champion...none.






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  7. Words

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    I dont doubt Calzaghe's level of ability, he's easy top 5 P4P, and he gives Hopkins hell even 10 years ago when Hopkins was merely 32 years old. But Hopkins' level of opposition is better than Calzaghe's. Even the likes of William Joppy and Howard Eastman, not great guys, but they're a thousand times better than Tocker ****ing Pudwill and Mger Mkririrststan. Hopkins never fought anyone that bad, even he had limits. Can you imagine the outcry if Hopkins had fought someone as bad as Peter Manfredo? Those guys were barely top 50, it was shameful that he was fighting them. We lost out on potential great fights with proper fighters coz of this. I feel sorry for Calzaghe, his talent is not in doubts, but his legacy is never going to match his potential.

    On pure ability he's not better than Floyd Mayweather, but he's possibly 2nd or 3rd. More ability than Mosley? More P4P power than Cotto? Hell he's not even got Hatton's power P4P, Hatton dispatches people ruthlessly and efficiently, I cant remember the last time Joe KO'd someone clean and brutal.
     
  8. Drew101

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    I might throw Bika in amongst the legitimate contenders that Calzaghe's fought, and add Veit instead. Still, there are a couple of names missing on JC's resume, and that is a pity, because JC could have enhanced his legacy to some extant with victories over the likes of a Woods, or a Glen Johnson, or an Echols, et al.

    If you're looking for a reason not to rate him #1 among super-middleweights, it would be based on the fact that his compeition has been spotty at the best of times. Still, one gets the impression that he's not done yet, so there's still time for him to consolidate his (admittedly impressive) credentials with a couple more solid victories.
     
  9. Words

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    Yeah but not at super-middleweight. If he ever wanted to displace Jones as the premier super-middleweight then he needed to have done it a while ago. Wins over Glen Johnson, Sven Ottke and Antwun Echols would've done it. Coupled with wins over Robin Reid, Jeff Lacy, Chris Eubank and Mikkel Kessler that would've been a fine legacy. If he'd have fought Roy Jones, he would've probably lost, but he'd have still won some respect.

    I hope he fights Clinton Woods, because if that fight happens I see it being a close win for Calzaghe. He takes on points by about 4 or 5 rounds. Then we can compare it to Roy Jones' performance against Clinton Woods, and that ought to underline Calzaghe's status as truly inferior to RJJ once and for all.
     
  10. VIPERMAN

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    **** off with this clinton woods bollocks.

    woods is on a par with robin reid and richie woodhall - grade b fighters.
     
  11. Words

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    I reckon it would be, I dont think Kessler is that much better than Woods in all honesty. I mean Woods is just above the level of Robin Reid, as is Kessler, and Kessler and Reid gave a close 12 rounds fight to Calzaghe so I reckon that Woods would do the same. Calzaghe still wins though, by UD, like 8 rounds to 4, but still worth seeing.
     
  12. Words

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    Yeah but which two big names? Hopkins, ok, but at this stage in his career I cant see Hopins being active enough to handle Joe. Maybe 5 or 6 years ago, but not now.

    What other names are there out there? Tarver? C'mon man, Tarver wouldn't have a much better chance than Woods, I'd probably pick Woods to beat Tarver actually. Roy Jones Jnr? for the love of god I hope not, the Calzaghe-huggers would never shut up about that. Glen Johnson is far too old, he's another guy Calzaghe shoulda had 5 or 6 years ago. The only guy I can think of is Chad Dawson, and he's not exactly a household name.

    I say Hopkins first in the new year, meanwhile Woods fights Zsolt Erdei or Chad Dawson, the winner fights Calzaghe October 2008. That way, if Erdei or Dawson win, because Woods is known in the UK It'd sell. If Woods wins, his rep goes up enough to make it a marketable fight in the US.

    You cant deny Woods his credit, he's a legit titleholder in that division and he's done it the hard way. Fair play to him, he deserves a big fight like this.
     
  13. VIPERMAN

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    hopkins 1st, then a war with pavlik to finish with at SM