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The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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brixtonbeat said: ↑

Well, in all fairness, if you have followed a certain routine in all of your bouts, deviating from that routine my affect the outcome.

Basically, if you've never had sex before a bout, and suddenly did before the biggest fight of your career, there may be some measurable affect. This affect may be evident in a lack of "confidence," or "not feeling right" etc.

Certainly, this is not the emtional state that you would want a fighter entering the ring with Mayweather.
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this is the same manny that was having a affair it didn't seem as though the extra poon dipping effected his performance against Cotto.

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Battlestar said: ↑

Moron, it's 10cc of blood.
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That no a lot at all.atsch

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thatguy said: ↑

I find it hard to believe that u guys would be sticking up for mayweather if the tables were turned, u really have no problem with the biggest fight in boxing history not being made because of a blood test? wow u guys are all ball deep into pac mans ass...
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My bad T lol...

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onourway said: ↑

Pacquiao is seen as the best fighter of this generation.

Pacquiao has a better resume than Mayweather.

This was Mayweather's chance to surpass him.

Pac will now go and claim a belt at 154, then come back down and beat Mosley. Further strengthening his legacy.

Mayweather had a very real chance of beating Pac due to the styles, but is risking his reputation and legacy by being such a coward. This is a massive duck by Floyd.
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ur arguement is flawed as is ur thinking. 1st thing is PBF's legacy is already solidified w/ or w/o this fight. 2nd to say pac has a better resume is ridiculous. lets take a quick look @ pacs resume shall we? his notible fights include: morales x3, barrera, maquez x2, diaz, hatton, de la hoya, cotto, and maybe valezquez and solis can be added. lets not fail to mention that pac fought a few of the fighters multiple times b/c their previous fight was so close. now lets take a look at PBF's notible fights: chavez, manfredy, corley, mitchell, augustus, hernandez, corrales, castillo x2, gatti, judah, de la hoya, marquez. NO rematch was needed in any of floyds fight except for castillo, b/c floyd dominated.

now some of u may laugh at a few names on both lists, but u have to realize those fighters were note worthy at THAT time. from what i see, both fighters have put in work and have decent resumes, but to say pacs is better is ludicris.

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Borat said: ↑

I didn't know Olympic commission was not accredited by the sports of boxing. It is only used every single time for any Olympic boxing championships.
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atsch Fukkin A.

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3rdIslander said: ↑

Please refer to the thread in that quote.

"More successful masking agents?" & "Are there any PEDs that will show up in X body sample that will not show up in Y body sample?" No; it's all relative. Different body samples will contain substances in different concentrations & at different stages of metabolization. But, when analyzed thoroughly, they CAN be detected.

Urine & blood can be used to test for HGH. The blood test for HGH is older (& more widely familiar in the field as a result). There are different methods for masking HGH & related hormonal markers for both types of samples.

Again, IMO, random testing is the best practical method of catching PED cheaters.
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Thanks :good

BewareofDawg, Dec 23, 2009

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bladerunner said: ↑

Roach sometimes makes some stupid demands theres no denying that and he made Cotto fight at a catchweight but fraud did the same with JMM and i dont see you cry about that.
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u know u want this fight called off...can't blame you

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pauliemayweathe said: ↑

prove floyd wrong take the test and show him who the best is then freddie...if manny is so much better don't be so stubborn...take the test make the 40 mil...unless???
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If Floyd and his camp think Manny is that good that they won't go ahead without it, considering Manny has never failed a test before, what does that say?

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renyo said: ↑

He does not want to fight pacman.
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he prefers matthew hatton? :think

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icanmaniest said: ↑

I dont want to take sides here. I am an expert in steroid and PED use as well as testing methods for such substances. I wish to present facts and let the reader decided.
First of all HGH can be detected with blood testing so those saying that it cannot are misinformed. [url]http://www.***********.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340670[/url]
read Travis Tygart, executive director of USADA's statements with respect to the testing thats being suggested.
Secondly its is a known fact that traces of steroid use in blood CAN be flushed in 5 days using a combination of herbal supplements. Pacquiao's camp has agreed to 30 days prior and just after the fight. Ask yourself one question. Would that give an ample 5 day window to flush the fighters system before the 2nd test? For those who say Pacquiao has agreed to take the test after the fight, its an illusion of fairness. Under this arrangment Pacquiao (not saying he's cheating) would be able to benefit from the use of PED's in his final month of training, begin a flush a week out from the fight having already benefited from the use of these methods, and pass a post fight blood test.
The urine testing is NOT effective and can be beat in a multitude of ways. Don't take my word for it. Reaserch for yourself online on how to beat a urine test for steroids.
Also I would point out to those saying Pacquiao has passed every urine test ever given, when one knows the rules and regulations and is accustomed to working within that system one is able to design a strategy to beat it.
When the rules change and nervousness sets in I would propose that suspicion (but not accusations) is warranted.
Do a little more research and you will find that Freddie Roach has recently said if they would give him a window like the magical 5 days previously mentioned, he would work with that.
As for the blood test affecting performance. Folks it is an absolute joke. We are not talking about a blood donation. We are talking about 1-2 teaspoons of blood. The body replaces this within 2-3 hours with proper fluid and glucose intake. It's an absurd insinuation.
And lastly I saw it mentioned that Pacquiao's reasoning was a fear of needles... so I would assume those are temporary airbrushed tattoos the champ is sporting..

Lastly I would ask the reader to investigate ALL forms of blood doping and PED types. Not eveyrthing is about drugs necessarily. Did you know there are mushrooms proven to turn to steroid in the liver. Did you know a blood transfusion can be given to increase RBC count and therefore dramatically increasing oxygen supply, recovery etc.

I recommend studying with an open mind the subject in its entirety.

Based on what I'm observing with an objective mind, I'm not liking where this is going.

If Pacquiao proves to be clean and wins then truly he deserves all the credit in the world. And likewise if Mayweather wins he also should finally be given credit for his craft.

Olympic style blood testing is the ONLY way to insure fairness, and because Pacquiao's demonstrated the characteristics of someone who IS using steroids (thats not an accusation of guilt.. just a fact that he does show several signs of it) this testing is not unreasonable.

Mayweather has no challenges submitting to the testing because he knows there would be no ill-effects on perormance.

YOu have all the facts.. you decide
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I've made my decision *******s. Your hero is on roids lol... Thanks Ican lol...

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I have NO Idea what you wrote Socrates...I placed you on my IGNORE list a long time ago...BEST DECISION I EVER MADE!!!!

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NALLEGE said: ↑

My bad T lol...
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Yeah, don't fight. You both jerk off with the same guy in mind.:good

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Damn Floyd...

From time 2 time, I fight tooth n' nail at restaurants, sports bars, fight parties, at the gym, even at the fights, trying explain in some form of rationale The Clutter, The Confusion and at times, The Ridiculous RANTS of My Favorite Fighter: Floyd Mayweather Jr.

And because Floyd is not the most Articulate, Educated nor Well-Grounded Black Athlete in America, i.e. Michael Jordan, Grant Hill, Derek Jeter, just to name a few. Alot of what he says gets "Lost in Translation" through URBAN VERNACULAR (Street Slang).

Now throughout the years, I have done a damn good job of trying to Defend, Explain and get Casual and even the Hardcore Boxing fans to the Understand some of the so-called Floyd Mayweather perspective...NOT AGREE...But simply understand where he's coming from...Sometimes.

But this recent "stunt" is pissing me off. And I have been down with Floyd since he stopped by younger brother in the 2nd round of their 1994 quarterfinal fight at the US Golden Gloves Championships at 114lbs.

Personally, I understand that Floyd wants to make sure that the TWO best fighters in Sport go into the ring with nothing but HEART & SKILL...I get it.
But if what I heard is correct...that Floyd wants to change the schedule for "RANDOM TESTING"...I CAN'T DEFEND THAT ****!!! Especially when Roach and Manny have already agreed to the INITIAL TEST!!!

DON'T SCREW THIS UP FLOYD!!!!
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There comes a time when you just have to see something for what it is and accept it. Sounds like that time is coming soon for you dude :good

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lenin said: ↑

not wanting to be drug tested. you can stick up for pacquiao all you want but the fact is that many people, including world champions have accused him of using steroids, he had a chance to put the rumors to rest but instead chose to back out of the biggest fight of his life. after all the concessions made by mayweather and previous pacquiao opponents, pacquiao backs out of the biggest fight in recent history because he's supersticous about needles. damn shame. :-(
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Agreed!

Pound4poundx, Dec 23, 2009

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darryl1914 said: ↑

I have NO Idea what you wrote Socrates...I placed you on my IGNORE list a long time ago...BEST DECISION I EVER MADE!!!!
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