The all things technical thread.

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  1. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    No one's said that, mate.
     
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    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    :good:good
     
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    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Left hook to the body.

    This shot is one of my favourites. It's a dangerous shot to throw as it opens you up more, but when it's thrown properly it can be VERY effective. It's probabily the best body punch to throw. We've all seen the damage some of the best left hookers to the body have done in a fight over the years. Even fighters who aren't particularly that great can be very effective with this shot. It really is a beautiful punch and can be set up in so many ways. It can be a knockout punch or one that just does damage that will show later on. Even the fighters with the best punch resistance will struggle to hold a left hook to the body (liver). Most fighters will tell you that it's probabily the worst punch you can take.

    It effects the breathing of fighters and can even incapacitate them so the after shocks still remain even if the pain goes away initially. It will continue to reoccure. The left hook to the body can also set up shots to the head for you.

    There are so many ways to throw this punch. And so many mechanics involved in throwing it.

    Probabily the most basic way of doing it or setting it up is:

    - Fake or feint with the jab, slip and dip (if you're an orthodox fighter). To the left and then throw the left hook to the body with as much accuracy as possible.

    - Throw the jab as usual, close the distance by stepping in, slip to the left and then throw the left hook downstairs.

    - Again start with the jab. Throw a right hand (so a normal 1, 2 combo) and then slip to throw the left hook.

    - Make your opponent throw the right hand cross. When he extends slip to the outside of the right hand and the left hook to the body will be there for you. You have to watch out for his left hook though and you must know how to get out properly. This one is more difficult and dangerous to do because first you have to make him throw the right hand, then slip that right hand properly and it has to be the right type of right hand cross depending on your distance and then get out in the right manner or follow up the left hook to the body with the right punches.

    All those ways are similar, but still different. The important thing with the left hook to the body is to set it up properly. That usually means faking to the head and bringing the guard of your opponent up. This leaves you with more space and also decieves the opponent.

    I'll add vids later...
     
  4. Nobody has said that..... however there are better ways for a trainer to look at his fighter and correct mistakes.

    Nothing beats the pads for warming up and simple drills, but I think they're overused.
     
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    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    What a ****ing spastic post that was, Izmat. There are many reasonsfighters from the past were better though.
     
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    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Nice post :good, I remember a Hopkins piece in BN where he talked 'shop' and mentioned the hook to body and that many fighters throw it to early after they've slipped the initial punch. He mentioned making sure you've fully slipped the shot ie. Timing. Which is right because if you can catch the guy with ribcage exposed you time it right you don't need heavy power to hurt him there just a decent shot and he'll fall to bits.
     
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    izmat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I must've misread the earlier posts. I will have a re-read:D
     
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    izmat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Might be just a coincidence.
     
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    izmat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm sure if pads existed he would be using them. Bag training has limitations as well and I'm pretty sure Ray Robinson would have benefited with modern S & C training
     
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    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    The pads not being used by those greats was just an observation. Didn't say they were better for it because they didn't use them. But much of the things that pads are meant to help you with they had in abundance much more so then fighters do now. That maybe just a pretty big coincidence, but it's something at least worth pondering over.

    It would be good if you told us the limitations of the bags as suppose to the pads and what are these modern training and conditioning that fighters of yesteryear would've benefitted from? what would've made them have skills and attributes they didn't already have? And how come these modern day fighters with all their modern day strength and conditioning and shakes have so many limitations and weaknessess that fighters of yesteryear didn't have?

    Legit questions i think.:good
     
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    Sorry for how big this all came out lol but theres some good setups in there from the master. Especially that left hook to the body Slip&Counter.

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    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Cheers for that, mate. :good Bit hard on the ole mince pies but I can just about see it.

    Anymore of those from BHop? please share.:thumbsup
     
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    Barlivia War Froch Full Member

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    Hopkins perfect execution was the best thing in ring mag for a while pity it's not there anymore
     
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    :good Good post, its also my favourite shot

    Hatton was very good at setting up his left to the body by taking a half-step to his left then hooking around & behind the elbow.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmdzcfwQApU[/ame]

    Mickey Ward sets his shot up here with a quick hook to the head which makes Sanchez raise his guard. He follows up with a devastating hook to the ribs. (1.25)

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yzxKAqA6uw[/ame]

    Gerald McClellan had a beautiful left hook to the body which he threw with real venom. I especially like the shot at 1.08, how he adjusts his feet after the right hand before absolutely smashing the guy :good

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz4KWIP3mrQ[/ame]
     
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    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Cheers for posting those vids, DrMo.

    Wasn't Micky Ward losing that Sanchez fight as well IIRC? Just emphasises how effective that shot can be.