I think modern strength and conditioning does certainly have it's uses, certainly when it comes to making a man as strong as possible within the particular weight constraints that they have. A lot of the modern stuff is superceded though by fighting more often. Back in the day, fighters were professionals in the truest sense of the word. They trained constantly and fought regularly, much like footballers and rugby players still do. Many fighters these days have prolonged periods out of the gym, and then train to make the weight rather than improve as a fighter. Modern boxing does have it's plus points - there's less fighters suffering fatal or serious injuries than before, fighters have more control over their business affairs and earning power than before, things like that. The safety side and the business side are far superior, but skill levels have dropped, as a result (IMO) of what I've outlined above and the shocking standard of amateur boxing these days. If you consider ''training to improve'', look at Froch. Sure, he's never been or will be the most aesthetically pleasing fighter, but at 34 he's probably still getting better, in contrast to (say) Hatton who'd been to the well once too many times in his battle with the scales and was potentially a danger to himself at 30 - activity levels notwithstanding of course.
He was getting absolutely hammered The commentators were talking about stopping the fight because it was so 1 sided & then boom! :good Thats the main emphasis of S&C these days,to be as big & strong at the weight as possible. I think a lot of guys do too much plyo & too many weights.
Bags are more stationary and bigger target so good pad training has the advantage of developing accuracy and hitting a moving target. Fighters from the older generation spent time on excessive long slow distance running which harms explosiveness. Trainers from the past had no understanding of muscle fibres and their fighters would have benefited from interval training and plyometic training.I doubt Pacman would have been able to maintain his explosiveness whilst moving up in weights if he just did callisthenetics instead of the modern conditioning methods.
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Hi guys. I'm a professional fighter and i have never got the urge or any interest to become a member of this forum i normally just skim through once in a while but i had to join to say something, this is a great great thread. Many of us involved in the sport have a opinion of fans that they don't know anything about boxing,but things like this thread show different. i never thought stuff like this side of boxing would get discussed in forums like this and the biggest compliment i can pay you guys is that a few of us fighters were discussing this thread.
Jersey Joe Walcott used to do this thing where as he was backing away from a fighter he'd take a step back and throw a southpaw jab. Do other fighters do this? Is it effective or just flash and pointless?
Actually they didn't. I'll get you their running and training routines. Things like that depend on the individual. There are fighters today who run for much longer then their predeccesors. Plus i've never heard it 'harming explosiveness' tbh. The prove is in the podding. Put it in plain English for me. Don't think that's neccesarily true though. But neither do todays in most cases. Trainers of yesteryear were better in ALL departments then the majority of todays. Possibly. But there's too much of it done now, which increases risk of injury. Too many exotic excercises and not enough BOXING. Manny is a unique case. Also people tend to think he's smaller than he really is. First of all he was no smaller than someone like Floyd was at the same age, he was just a pro while others were still in the ams and he was really drying himself out in those lower weights. Moving up was natural. Henry Armstrong did something more extraordinary in terms of moving up 70 plus years ago. Anyway, we have to have more examples to say these percieved better modern day conditioning has made fighters vastly superior, because really the overwhelming evidence points to the contrary. Less stamina, less power, less technical refinement, less depth etc etc. In truth boxing has regressed in almost every possible way. No matter what exotic excercises or funky shakes and juices fighters take. It's the only sport which hasn't advanced from modern day conditions, mainly because it deals so much in hand eye coordination and complex skill. Plus it's rituals, training techniques, fundamentals and equipments are steadfast and universal.
Slip, you make a great set of points about Manny. It's also worth noting that, regardless of the excellent conditioning, it was Roach drilling him with boxing fundamentals that has helped him rise through the weights post-135. The jab-straight he so often neglected in his early bombing days is now his major tool to keep the pace and distance where he likes it. Roach is also a good example of pad work.
Yeah, he'd do a little shimmy with his shoulders and then quickly take a potshot. That was one of his 'party tricks'. But Arnold Cream was sneaky as f***k. Someone else tried that they'd end up looking silly or working into a shot. Unless they had brillient reflexes like Roy Jones or Nonito Donaire.