The Baer's Were HUGE

A natural 170lb man who lifts weights to gain muscle and unnatural weight is smaller than a man who is naturally 210lbs. Is this really too complicated a concept for a person of normal intelligence to grasp?:huh

 

So, Byrd is pumped up through weightlifting? Then I think he should fire his trainer. And what lift do they do to get taller?

This all goes back the mythologization of Liston and the fact that some must insist against all empirical evidence that he was some sort of Bunyan-esqe man-mountain.

 

Go away.

 

Nice argumentative powers.

 

Liston may have only been 6' 1" but the rest of the tale of tape shows him having bigger physical attributes than many other heavyweights, even modern day ones. Biggest fist of any champ. One of the biggest necks. As long of a reach as Lewis.

 

Chris Byrd is well known as a smaller man who having won an Olympic medal in the Middleweight division, used weights heavily to bulk up and compete in the lucrative heavyweight division.

Please, go away.

 

I worked with an ex hurling player once he was 6 3 and over 210,he stood next to Liston when he toured the UK ,he described Liston as huge in the body,wide shoulders and massive hands and arms.

 

As someone neutral in all this, can someone explain why Liston fans get very defensive whenever someone suggest that Liston was not, by today's standards, such a huge man? Maybe broader shouldered, maybe with longer than usual arms but not overall so large?

Not just here, but across the Net over the years, even going back to the message boards I used to lurk about in the nineties. Whenever it's brought up it gets a very strong reaction. Why so? It's not like it's the be-all-and-end-all of Liston's abilities.

 

He probably has that aura of menace about him ,I agree ,by todays standards he is actually a rather small heavyweight,but I would still rahter fight Klitshcko than Sonny!

 

Because its an opinion expressed by a ragbag of children, boxing ignoramuses and idiots, usually in support of some ridiculous, stupid belief "Waldo is the greatest heavyweight of all time, he's too big", or something like that.

Okay, you ask them, give us some evidence to support this seemingly preposterous assertion? He's 6'6"

Uhm, Ok, but how would he beat the likes of Liston, Foreman, Ali? When every time he gets hit on the chin he falls like a diseased tree? He's 6'6", they reply smugly.

Really? He's better than Lennox Lewis, Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson? I admit you've piqued my interest, on what grounds do you make this interesting claim? He's 6'6", he's 240lbs. He plays the guitar and he likes politics and one day him and Vitali are going to be the only brothers ever to hold world titles. He's 6'6".

 

Therapists are becoming cheaper and cheaper these days. Use that to come over your trauma. :good

 

Interesting phraeselogy :rofl

I should try comeing over my trauma...

Thanks for the response btw...but I think I'm forgetting how tall Waldo is. why don't you tell me? :happy

 

He's 6'6".

Ironic that you speak of a "ragbag of children" when you're the one who calls a fighter "Waldo". But hey, if that makes you get over the fact that Liston was just as tall and heavy as Byrd, the more power to you.

 

Ok OK what's your moniker of choice, Wlad the Impaled? If you'de like to add some rhetorical balance, feel free to tell us all how tall and handsome Wlad is, how much he cares about politics etc.

I KNOW Liiston was the same height and weight, why don't YOU tell us all how they are, in boxing and functional terms, the same 'size'

6'6" comeing all over your trauma baby...

 

I guess if we prove that Liston wasn't a hulking superman he suddenly was no good and his legacy is erased. It seems some are more impressed by his "measurables" (imagined or real) than by his actual ring acumen. That rings a bit fetishistic to me.