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The Black Murderers Row - rank them

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by jaffay, Mar 7, 2010.



  1. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Charley Burley
    Lloyd Marshall
    Holman Williams
    Joe Carter
    Jack Chase
    Tiger Wade
    Bert Lytell
    Eddie Booker

    Rank them basing on their talent and achievments. I know that Burley will be #1 for most of you guys but I wonder what do you think about other great BMR fighters.
     
  2. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd say the best BMR member is the one not on there: Jimmy Bivins.

    As for the ones you listed:

    1. Williams
    2. Marshall
    3. Burley
    4. Booker
    5. Chase
    6. Lytell
    7. Wade
    8. Carter
     
  3. bodhi

    bodhi So I can die easy ... Full Member

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    1. Williams, Burley
    2. Marshall, Bivins
    3. Booker
    4. Lytell, Carter
    5. Chase
    6.Wade
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Depends if you want to include Charles/Moore. I'd rank on H2H, natural size, overall legacy and resume. The problem is the Row has a group of fighters ranging from Welters to LHWs and William and Kid started at LW. You also have the likes of Oakland Billy Smith, Baroudi, Hogue

    Burley
    Williams
    Marshall
    Bivins (great H2H but he was bigger)
    Booker
    Chase
    Lytell
    Shorty Hogue
    Wade
    Carter

    I find Cocoa Kid very hard to rate, you never know if he was losing because he was taking a dive or because it was on the level. As a whole you cant be sure on that for most of the era
     
  5. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    :good
     
  6. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Williams
    2. Burley
    3. Marshall
    4. Bivins
    5. Booker
    6. Chase
    7. Lytell
    8. Carter
    9. Wade

    Not sure if I should have Marshall at two many of the guys are close, I'll stick with this for now.
     
  7. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore ought to be among that group.


    I think Lloyd Marshall, Jimmy Bivins and Ezzard Charles were the best. Three of the greatest at 160-175 of all-time.
    But then Burley and Williams were a bit smaller.
     
  8. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    p4p ?
    Charley Burley
    Eddie Booker
    Lloyd Marshall
    Bert Lytell
    Holman Williams
    Jimmy Bivins

    fitting Charles , Cream and Wright in :
    Charles and Cream r p4p swappable and will b also swappable with Booker , which means each 1 of them 3 will b no lower than #4 in d combined list and no higher than #2 .
    Wright resides below Booker and above Marshall which means #5 in d combined list .
    h2h :
    Cream
    Charles
    Burley
    Booker
    Wright
    Marshall
    Bivins
    Lytell
    Williams

    4 a measure of interchronological perspective i'd say that p4p Doug Jones ranks lower than Burley but is also interchangable with Charles , Cream and Booker and i actually rank him above them but can bare disagreements on this .

    h2h i think that if he did 2 young Clay what he did and lasted as much as he did against Chuvalo and Frazier , i think it's safe 2 say that he would have given Rocco Markegiano more problems than Wright gave him and Floyd Patterson more problems than either Wright , Rademacher or Joey Maxim gave him which means he could very well defeat Patterson and a stoppage is not out of d question .
    All of these Doug Jones thoughts were brought in order 2 put Wright , Charles , Cream etc in their correct place historically and 2 answer some of their worshippers' exaggeration . They were greats who fought each other but so was Doug Jones except that he fought d more formidable opposition . His opponents were bigger than theirs in average , not icluding Cream's .
     
  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I need to look further into detail regarding most of them bu tI have a hard time splitting burley and williams.
     
  10. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Burley got the better of their series despite official results
     
  11. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would argue Holman Williams days as a lightweight qualify him as best pound 4 pound.
     
  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    yeah after stopping him he was robbed, i'm aware of that. but both did really well in sharing the war time era.

    from aug 42 till apr 46 I have Burley on top of the division for 19 months and Williams on top for 16 months.

    both seemed to beat the same sorts of opponents.

    basically saying it's not a given, imo, that burley ranks above williams.
     
  13. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie booted

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    People aren't even including Cocoa Kid yet he was 8-3-2 i believe against Holman Williams