The bookies never paid me for Kahn on points, what should I do ?

bookies are ****s, as soon as they make a mistake they claim palp, even when they're wrong wont admit it.

 

This was the case under UK law for a long long time, however since the Gambling Act 2005 came into force gambling debts are now legally enforceable.

Although that's pretty much irrelevant to this case as the contract entered into is subject to the rules of the bookmaker. Labroke rules say "To win on points - We will only consider bets which nominate 'to win on points' as winners if the full number of rounds has been completed." Seems fairly straight forward.

 

Not totally straight forward. It is true that Ladbrokes rules state;

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But they also state at the top of the rules page;

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It can be argued that these rules contracted themselves. I heard the scorecards read out after the fight ended.

I would mention this when making your complaint to IBAS. You could also argue that ‘the points’ rule contradicts the official governing body rules, and also that other bookmakers stipulate technical decisions and DQ’s (there isn’t even any mention of DQ’s in Ladbrokes rulesatsch) within the options for the same market.

I think you will get paid out if you pursue this.:good

 

I agree Bill, you just need to go to Ladbrokes and make yourself a right royal pain in the arse.

 

Ok, have been thinking more about this.

Bill Butcher, can you specify which market you were betting on?

Ladbrokes have a market called 'How will the fight be won' where the options are each fighter by TKO or KO, each fighter on points or a draw. They also have a market called 'Round betting' where the options where the options are fighter one in round, fighter two in round one up to fighter one on points, fighter two on points.

Each of these markets can logically only have one outcome.

But it seems to me that, for Saturdays fight, the outcome for the 'how will the fight be won' bet should be 'Khan on points' (it wasn't a draw and it wasn't a tko, so that is the only option left) whereas the outcome of the 'round betting' market should be 'Khan in five' (Khan won, fight was over in the fifth).

There can't be two outcomes on the round betting market (Khan on points can't also be a winner, rules clearly state that the fight has to go the distance). But equally Ladbrokes can't say there was no outcome in the 'How will the fight be won market'. Or, if they did say that, they would have to void and refund all bets in that market, but given that there was a definitive recorded result I don't see how they can.

You need to confirm with Ladbrokes what their settled results were for each market (and they must have one for each of those two markets), and if they do have the two differing settled results I have suggested, which market they believe you were betting in and how they arrived at this belief (did you bet online or in store?- if online this will be easily discernable because the two are distinct and if you were betting in the round betting you don't have a leg to stand on, if in store and you just wrote Khan on points on a betting slip then there is clear confusion about which bet you intended to make and you have somekind of claim for somekind of settlement).

 

ladbrokes paid me out online-i had the fight to not go the distance £50 at 6-5 and they also paid out £10 bet at 3-1 on khan by ko/tko/disq,so i assume they class a TD as a stoppage for betting purposes.i honestly thought they would have refunded my £50 bet and i'd have lost the £10 bet.

 

I had Khan via KO/TKO (6/1) with Coral Online, they paid out. Someone mentioned Clottey v Judah, on that occasion I had Clottey via KO/TKO/DQ in round 9 or 10, that bet was with 888 Sport and they paid out. On the other hand Boylesports ‘method of victory’ market offers the following options, 1. ‘Boxer’ via decision or technical decision, 2. ‘Boxer’ via KO/TKO/DQ, 3. Draw – So it would seem if I had placed those bets with Boylesports I wouldn’t of been paid out as they make a provision for a technical decision. Obviously each bookie is different and it’s worth checking out where you stand beforehand, that said surely Ladbrokes have to pay out on one market, failing that they should refund your stake so it’s worth pursuing.

 

Sorry mate you may think its pish, but unfortunately its true. Unless you can provide evidence other than your abuse. But go ahead and check the rules , and when you have i will happily accept your apology

 

laddies are w*****s ... i refuse to use them from now ! they quoted Roman Martinez at 6-5 online and I had £500 at that price but they revoked it saying it was a mistake and offered me 8-13 or money back ! ... my issue is if I backed a boxer could i ask my money back if circumstances changed or I made a mistake ? or i could get a better price elsewhere? NO of course I couldnt its a disgrace and they get away with this all the time .... BOYCOTT LADBROKES ! - I backed with Bet365 (excellent firm) at 8-11 ....

I had the same senario with Willy Bills as I punt on the NRL too and they stood the bet after a little email banter/negotiation and thankfully I won .....

 

One word;
SEMTEX.

 

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Sorry riggers, but none of this is true. Not having ago, but punters do have rights.

The UK gambling industry is fully regulated by the Gambling Commission - http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/Client/index.asp
and the Gambling Act 2005 -
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2005/ukpga_20050019_en_1 .
Further more Ladbrokes own rules state;

8.1 These Conditions shall be governed by the laws of England and you irrevocably submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of England.

Also all UK bookmakers who are affiliated to IBAS (all the major UK bookies are, including Ladbrokes) have an obligation to honour bets where IBAS rule in the customer’s favour.

As it can be argued that Ladbrokes boxing rules contradict themselves, and to cause further confusion also contradict the rules of boxing, I think you have a case.

The Ladbrokes rules are poor to say the least, and the bet market ‘How will the fight be won?’ offer 5 options; KO or TKO for both fighters, points for both fighters and the draw. It is my understanding that Ladbrokes have paid out on Khan KO or TKO, which as we all know simply didn’t happen. I think punters will be successful in pursuing these claims as Ladbrokes either need to update their rules, (no mention of what would have happened had a fighter been disqualified) or change the way in how they offer this market.

Good luck!! :good

 

One of the guys said earlier the laws changed in 2005, if that is the case i stand corrected. I had a quick google, and it still says you cannot claim for gambling debts in a court of law as they are a gentlemans agreement. They say this for casinos also. I am at work now, but will post links if you want later. I haven't time to go through your links now as they are huge, can you post the link saying where it says they are obliged to pay out ? The IBAS website does say their ruling is unenforcable legally if you look under FAQ's. There are numerous examples of where bookies refuse to payout bets.

 

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Ladbrokes try and pull a fast one with their boxing betting.

 

It is true that IBAS can not legally force a pay out, but if a bookmaker were to lose the affiliation of IBAS, as could be the case if the bookie decided not to accept the IBAS ruling, this would be massively damaging to the bookmakers standing within the industry. Ladbrokes (as do other IBAS affiliated bookmakers) do state in their rules that a decision by IBAS is binding, and they would pay out if IBAS instructed them to do so. Ladbrokes rules state;

Any dispute or difference that arises out of or in connection with the Contract shall be determined by the Independent Betting Adjudication Service (IBAS) whose ruling shall be binding. If, notwithstanding the above, the customer issues Court proceedings, Ladbrokes reserve the right to apply to stay those proceedings pending determination by the IBAS. If the customer fails or refuses to follow the ruling of the IBAS, the customer will reimburse all resulting expenses (including court fees) incurred by Ladbrokes.

Having formally worked within the industry, I was told that a bet slip can be considered a contract, and as such could theoretically be challenged in court. However I have never known of a case where this has happened. I would never advise this either, the court costs would be simply too huge for this to have any relevance.