P4p i think dempsey hit's harder but i think the lewis overhand right and uppercut have alot more power than any of dempsey's shots. In regards to punch resistance lewis walked through some huge and only got dropped by unexpected shots, dempsey got dropped by smaller less powerful guys, i am not now saying dempsey has a weak chin but if he could be dropped by smaller guys than the ones lewis got hit by he might have problems against big hitting, larger fighters.
i didn't say he had a glass jaw but if people think lewis has a glass jaw wlad has the worst jaw in boxing history.
These are all fair assesments. Esecially considering that Purity, Sanders and Brewster were all hard punchers as well.
Firstly Lennox was far harder to hit than Marciano. Lennox is far more likely to tag Marciano first than vice versa Secondly McCall & Rahman were 6'2 men with 230lbs+++ of solid muscle and were the hardest hitters of their era. Moore and Walcott were sub 200lber punchers, which were good punchers but Lennox probably wouldn't flinch from their shots. McCall and Rahman (McCall especially) may have been 2 of the harder hitter of all time. And Lennox got up from McCalls shot and was ready to continue. He was past his prime, undertrained, out of stamina and fighting at altitude (which is very hard) against Rahman. We saw what happened in the rematches
Its not unreasonable to say Lennox could win 7 out of 10 against Louis its just the same as winning 2 out of 3. I think Lennox has a huge edge over Louis. Foreman would beat Frazier 100 out of 100 times - the same goes for Ali against Liston. Lennox can also beat Frazier 10 out of 10 because hes all wrong for Frazier Lennoxs chin wasn't dented by Tyson, Holyfield - I pick Dempsey to beat him once but Dempsey is more likely to be ko'ed than vice versa. Dempsey has been ko'd in the first and was knocked out of the ring by Firpo.
then why is it that Holyfield, at 37 who was heavier, twice went the distance with Lewis? Again Holyfield was a natural cruiser and completely over the hill even if he was 20 odd pounds heavier then Dempsey
Holyfield is known as one of the toughest fighter's of all time, he hadn't just come up for cruiserweight (already beaten tyson etc), and lewis is only two years younger than evander so the age is not as big a point as you make out.
I'll come clean and admit I was playing Devils Advocate. I don't rate Lennox as GOAT but he isn't far off and he is underrated. In head to heads hes top 3. Here is my top25 list My list based on accomplishments (over competition) and dominance 1. Ali 2. Louis 3. Lennox Lewis 4. Jack Johnson 5. Tyson 6. Harry Wills 7. Holmes 8. Evander Holyfield 9. Liston 10. Marciano 11. Joe Frazier 12. Jack Dempsey 13. George Foreman 14. Ezzard Charles 15. James J. Jeffries 16. Bowe 17. Norton 18. Patterson 19. Langford 20. Walcott 21. Gene Tunney 22. Schmelling 23. Sharkey 24. M Spinks 25. Johanssen
Why wasn't this little cruiserweight crushed like Dempsey and Marciano would be? What if this little cruiserweight had top end power like Dempsey or Marciano and was a few years younger? What is there in these fights to suggest that an ATG under 200lbs will just get steamrolled?
Chris, Dempsey was down vs Tunney only becuase it was a flash knockdown, or even if it wasn't he was only down for a couple of seconds hardly a big deal. And even if you consider the Flynn ko legitimate, it only happened to him once, not twice. And he only had three years of pro experience up to the point, not years of amateur experience, and 6 years of pro experience when it happened :good
:twisted: Nice list though. Your top five is quite similiar to my head to head top 5, whatever that tells you...i have Liston higher and Tyson lower.