The case for Lennox Lewis being GOAT

Lewis would have stopped both Willard and Fripo, who is arguing otherwise? On the other hand Dempsey is also alot better then old Holyfield, washed up Tyson, rubbish Golota, or Rahman and McCall for that matter. Dempsey would have also smashed Rahman and McCall

 

Roy jones is as good as those fighter's, p4p he was one of the most talented fighter's ever and don't try and bring up taver etc as roy was past it by this point. Again if you include jones's losses from tarver onwards how can you make half the other points you make about suspect loss''s and age etc.

 

The same can be said about Marciano, even Louis, Johnson and Jeffries, Wills beat better fighters then them, would u rate him ahead of all of them?

Wills was damn good but no expert who saw him in his prime thought he was better then Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey or Louis and many of these experts had black fighters in their rankings so they werenot racists

 

Actually I'd say Prime RJJ is up there with Dempsey and Marciano. He'd give either a seriously difficult challenge stylistically

It was meant as a size comparion, but all 3 would have been amongst the better opponents Dempsey and Marciano faced (especially Dempsey)

 

Jones is a great fighter in a p4p sense but given his chin, at heavyweight, Marciano and Dempsey would have smashed his head off

 

He wouldn't be able to withstand the amount of pressure or power. Gibbons managed to stand up to a rusty Dempsey but took alot of punishment that Jones could never take. And neither could Jones take what Marciano gave Charles.

 

In terms of talent name me ten better boxers than roy jones p4p in any era, i didn't say he was p4p top ten in the rankings but in terms of natural talent he was one of the best of all time. I would have him in the 50 best fighter ever p4p but near the end of it 35-50.

 

I know he is a top 50 all time p4p fighter but at heavy he is nothing compared to either Marciano or Dempsey

 

When did roy jones ever take any punishment, oh wait when his speed had gone and he was fighint tarver etc prime roy hardly ever got hit never mind took punishment.

 

The fact is Dempsey is hyped up on his ability to KO the unskilled Willard and Firpo, when anyone top HW should dispose of both easily.

And no Dempsey is not better in all areas than Vitali, Holyfield, Tyson, Golota, Rudduck, Tua

For starters hes easier to land clean on than those fighters. Secondly he doesn't hit as hard as some of them and

Yes he is better in some areas. But what does he bring to the table that Holyfield did not? Maybe Power - slight edge although Holyfield has underated power (and Lennox has eaten harder punchers), and speed slight edge (but not quicker than Tyson). Everything else Holyfield outdoes him on pretty much.

 

Whos to say Marciano or Dempsey would get to land clean? RJJ would certainly beat them to the punch and get in and out punching and not getting punched for at least the early rounds.

He took punches fine in his prime against fighters weighing in as much as Marciano/Dempsey did - yes those 175lbers would weigh 190 on fight night. He also ate flush shots from 230lb John Ruiz (and Ruiz right floored Holyfield).

Yes Dempsey and Marciano both have the chance to stop RJJ late but they may have both got outboxed to UDs over 12/15