The evolution of a lie.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by LukeO, Jan 4, 2010.


  1. thekid

    thekid SEC Full Member

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    I'd be mad at him too, you tell all those people how floyd hurt you so he won't do it to anyone else
     
  2. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Luke nobody just "wanted" to see FMJ fight Carlos Baldomir. FMJ was going to challenge Judah. Judah lost to Baldomir and they already had the date set. Baldomir earned the shot. He took out Baldomir and gave the fans and Judah the fight he promised.
     
  3. hellblazer

    hellblazer All-Time Greatâ„¢ Full Member

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    :rofl:lol::rofl
     
  4. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    You don't even know what order the fights happened in, and you're defending it?

    He fought judah first for the title that Baldomir couldn't afford to pay the sanctions for and told Brian Kenny the baldomir fight didn't mean anything. he said "we don't count split decisions, the fans must order this fight, zab judah is a great boxer"
    He's a liar who hypes the fights he makes, not the ones we want to see.
     
  5. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Every point you attempted to make has to do with semantics and language and not a real point at all.
    1)There was no contradiction in the position of Pacquiao, not really. Pac will take urine and blood tests. What other type of tests are you referring to? I assume the terms, as in which org runs the tests, but Pac is still willing to take either type of test, so there is no contradiction in their position, and that is what Pac's team meant by any test, any type as in blood or urine, not anybody running the test. We are at this point they have not come to an agreement, Mayweather could have just as easily agreed to the testing proposed by Pacquiao.
    2)If you can come in any time during x amount of days, it is still random within that time period, which would be different than fixed days within a time period, which I think is enough anyways. You are interpreting random to mean any time at all which is ridiculous, obviously they don't want Pac tested on the way into the ring, so does that mean he doesn't agree to random testing? :rofl
    Also WADA testing asks the person tested to select one hour per day that they can come in and test, so by your definition even WADA testing is not random because it is not "any" time :patsch
    3)Manny has already clarified his position, so why do you want to keep the waters muddied? He is concerned about loss of energy from having his blood drained, it already happened to him. Do you think he went into a time machine to give the interview after Morales 1 so that one day he can roid up vs floyd and have a built in excuse for dodging the tests with special state of the art hgh that enhances his ability without any supplemental roids that can be detected, and can do so in an extremely short window of time? :hat
    4)as far as Pac's weakness claim for me this is an interesting point. The problem arises in that I think when they took Pac's blood before Morales they were taking a lot of blood and did so many times very close to the fight (although I may be mistaken on this) and I think this is what Manny's fear is, so if that is the case, and here they are only taking a tiny tiny bit of blood, and they can somehow guarantee that in the contracts somehow, maybe they can move forward that way, maybe.

    Tour De France will have its most stringent testing this year which is one test two days before the start of the event for fifty of its top riders and also based on knowledge they got from rider's biological passports

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE55932W20090610

    But this is an event that goes on for endless hours upon hours for weeks upon weeks not an event where you are compacting your energy into 12 or less three minute rounds.

    Do the olympic performers get blood tested the day before an event? For instance, a 100 meter sprinter, would he be giving a blood sample the day before? I don't know the answer and I would be interested to know.
    5) explain to me why it is clearly better to have the fight in Vegas rather than Texas. 16,500 people vs 100,000, how could that not be better for boxing in general, rather than every big fight in Vegas or NY. In any event, I am correct in stating that Floyd had other demands.
    6)Pac is looking at other options. To me it is silly to think Pac would run from Floyd. Unless you think that Margarito, Cotto, Mosley and Pac (and the rest of 47) are all running and it has been Floyd that wanted to make those fights and they all weaseled out in their day when they had their chance....please
    7)Again, I do not stand corrected. Making the fight in Vegas was a demand from Floyd's side that Arum gave in to. Schaeffer blew off the meeting with Jerry Jones at the last minute.
     
  6. Atlanta

    Atlanta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    yeah, a bear hugger about 50 lbs heavier than what he was usually fighting at and Tarver was a legit HOF prospect until he was embarrassed by Bernard.
     
  7. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    I am sick of you Mayweather fans not knowing any facts, or what is really going on, and just defending him with every ounce of energy you have. I have given all of you a billion opportunities to make a case for him, and you all fail, every single time. Not one of you has lasted against any of the points being made.
    You all twist facts to support him, instead of realizing you want him to fight better fights just as much as we do. You have some weird obsession with defending him when all he wants is your money, not your respect.
    If you love the guy so much, tell him to retire and not take any fights... This is a sport, not a cherry picking competition.
     
  8. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    Okay, so tarver being exposed by someone means he should be considered great still.

    Ruiz is the worst heavyweight champion I have seen in my lifetime. I was impressed with what roy did, but he didn't beat a legit top HW. just a strap holder who works for don king.
     
  9. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This year I am adding all the idiots to my ignore list. They don't make any points nor any interesting arguments for the most part. I can play chess with a 900 rated player all day long but I will be bored as ****.
     
  10. moore

    moore Member Full Member

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    LukeO is a clown, ignore that fool.
     
  11. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Post has a lot of bias luke...i disagree with a lot of what u say but i see ur logic and the point ur trying to make...
     
  12. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    It's not Bias for Pacquiao, it's bias against Mayweather, that I openly admit.
    I hate people who lie to the public to get their money.
    It's like rooting for a corrupt politician because 10 years ago he convinced you he was a good guy.
     
  13. thekid

    thekid SEC Full Member

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    so it was 10 years ago when he raped you? Why didn't you tell anyone until now.
     
  14. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    manny isn't a saint...IMO floyd is right in asking for a drug test...no big deal or so he thought...
     
  15. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    Look a buffoon sticking up for another buffoon. This post is such a joke I dont even know where to begin.

    1. There are types of steroids that can pass out of a humans system within 2 days. I believe some within 14 hours. Thats why the test must be random and a cutoff date while proposed by the team Mayweather has been proposed it cant be something as ridiculous as 30 days before the fight. Thats ******ed.

    2. I doubt they would make Manny test during the ring walk. Against Morales Pac was tested 2 days before the fight. Which is more then enough time to recover. You saying Pacquiaos body has a different biology then most human beings? The reason Pac felt weak was because he was draining to make weight. HE is not draining to make 147, he is eating more, which should take away any mythical damage he thinks he got from drawing blood. Although we really know it was an excuse because Morales kicked his ass. Along with the socks and gloves.

    3. He's butthurt because Floyd disrespected him. It has nothing to do with "loss of energy" or his fear of needles whatever his excuse was. Manny nearly killed the Hatton fight because of his ego, he will do the same against Mayweather.

    4. Unless they took a pint of blood from manny he wouldnt feel weak. 2-3 tablespoons at the most is not gonna weakin you. I just gave about 2 tablespoons of blood a couple weeks ago, no ill effects.


    5. The fights in Vegas because its the most profitable venue to host it in. ITs why Pacquiao vs Hatton happened in Vegas instead of Manchester. Vegas is a major tourist attaction and no doubt the profits of the fight are maximized for both parties because of it. You didnt see Arum complaining.

    6. Mosley and Cotto declined fights with Mayweather in the past. Mosley twice. Floyd was scheduled to fight Margarito but he backed out of the fight claiming injury. Then again, but Arum could not guarantee a fight with Oscar so he walked.

    Oh and Mosley being a GB fighter would certainly choose Mayweather over Pac. Other then Mosley there is no real money fight for Pac to choose.