The HW div. is utter crap

No one is asking you too watch it shithouse.

 

Who that are the size of these two? And if you seen them why aren't they mixing it up with anyone ranked in the division.

 

Wlad has a tremendous hook off the jab. Way to prove you either haven't seen him fight or don't know what you are watching.

 

doubt he will answer, he thought mercer would knockout wlad with a jab. ye the same mercer who got schooled by a completely past it larry holmes. :blood

 

Can't blame the man for the lack of quality opposition. Every country has the same opportunities to produce athletes that can compete in the sport but none have produced anyone who could remotely do the things Wald and Vit have done. We could call it luck.....a coincidence or just accept the fact these two are the best in boxing in the sports premier division. Tough pill to swallow for some.....

 

don't use their size as an excuse for their eclumsiness and lack of coordination...lennox lewis was the same size as those guys and boxed fluidly....tony tucker and razor ruddock had good fluid movement around the ring. wlad is just a clumsy oaf who happens to be fighting in a very weak era. boxing history will record that the current era was the dark ages of heavyweight boxing.

luis ortiz is 6 foot 4 and also has a great fluid style...he could still be a dominant future champ. there are some big guys who look ungainly such as tyson fury and david price...but anthony joshua who is just as big has a very fluid athletic style.

 

Lennox Lewis fought the same way......thanks to Stewart. And Wald didn't fight so cautious before Stewart altered his style to protect his chin. Tony tucker? He's not a super heavyweight and Razor never came close to being a force like either Klitchko brothers.

You like ccertain styles. ......I get that........it's the same reason Floyd catches so much criticism for his style of fighting which is a cautious on that see him clinching more than what most fans want but it's effective in coming out victorious.

Roy Jones dominated at light heavyweight and it was recorded as extremely weak but it made little difference. .....because he dominated. ...exactly what a great operating in a weak era should do.

Again. ...watch old footage of Wald. He was fluid and more offensively active in the early years of his hall of fame career. Joshua and ortiz are good prospects but they really don't belong in the same conversation as either Klitchko. Even though they are fun to watch and have a less cautious style. Wait until they fight at a higher level. ....or if they have to come back after a knockout.

Chances are neither will come close to the accomplishments of these two brothers.

 

Wladimir Clinchko

 

tucker was a super heavyweight...watch the
lennox lewis vs tony tucker fight on youtube, both 6 foot5, both 235 lbs...notice how they move around and throw combinations a lot quicker and more fluid than wlad.

razor ruddock ran into mike tyson twice... then lewis finished him off... considering what sanders, brewster and peter did to wlad, i doubt wlad would have done any better than ruddock if he was around back in the 90's and had to fight guys like tyson and lewis in their primes.

 

Wald and Vitaly were just as fluid and offensive minded early in their careers but Wald more so than Vit became more cautious after getting knocked out. So did lennox.

razor was goos....never great and LL had his way with him so to think he'd best Vitaly or Wald is interesting. Everyone has their perspective.

 

Yeah but there are no great fighter that is competing against the Klitschko's, these are C level boxers lacking solid fundamentals and skills who are top 10 heavyweights.

There is no prime Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Tyson, Holmes, Fraizer etc competing against them. Not even a Michael Moorer caliber of boxer.

The HW division is so bad that Shannon Briggs actually looks credible, Briggs probably would have done better than Puvalev. If Briggs (who is not even a top 30 HW) can generate hype even though he doesn't have the credentials that tells you a lot about the HW division.

 

Byrd was one of the most skilled heavyweights in the division in terms of skills and that's across many eras......not a big puncher but his skills were polished and made him a problem for bigger guys who really didn't have the skills to best him. Wald and Vit dominated him....Vit had to quit after a shoulder injury but was dominating Chris before he quit on his stool.

Briggs is not seen as a legitimate opponent......at least not to anyone who has a grasp of the current landscape of the heavyweight division. Holmes also dominated a very weak era......as did Tyson but they all dominated. Mike of course went to jail but he was the real deal as was Holmes. ....Wald and Vit. .

 

The current landscape is crap, none of the prospects (who have been pros for quite a while) still haven't rose up in ranks to actually compete for a title. That's why Briggs looks legitimate because it doesn't matter what rank you are in the HW division, it's just bad. None of them can compete against the Klitstchko's, there are no A level boxers in the HW besides Wladimir.