The Mayweather double standard.

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  1. Pro

    Pro Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well we all know Manny can beat Oscar at 147 but he wants Floyd to come to 143...

    ???

    Comparing Hatton to Floyd...and you know Floyd would've beat the **** outta Hatton at 140.
     
  2. boxingfan777

    boxingfan777 Guest

    I thought this article was pretty good too.


    The New Saga: Mayweather Rejoins Marquez and Pacquiao for the Battle Towards Boxing Immortality - By Juan Angel Zurita (May 14, 2009)

    I know I may sound like a hater when it comes to Floyd Mayweather Jr., but let me make a few things clear.

    I recognize he’s a great fighter. I simply want to see how great he really is. I feel that his most ardent fans unjustifiably overrate him while overlooking the facts.

    For starters, I don’t believe he’s comparable to all-time greats like Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Roberto Duran. At the moment, I don’t even believe he’s comparable to Julio Cesar Chavez, Thomas Hearns, and Alexis Arguello. These fighters grabbed the multiple titles too while defeating very good to great opponents consistently in original eight weight classes. Mayweather hasn’t always done that in the divisions he’s temporarily parked his Rolls Royce at.

    Note: It’s my personal opinion that one of the most objective ways to compare today’s great fighters to the greats of yesteryear is to compare how the “New School” greats have faired in the original eight weight classes. You see, the “Old Schoolers” didn’t have the luxury of fighting for multiple titles in these “in-between” divisions. This is why today’s fighter’s accomplishments must accurately be put into perspective. Don’t get me wrong. I do believe some of the non-original eight weight classes have built up quality history in their own right. However, while success in these divisions should be factored into the equation, I believe the emphasis still needs to be placed on the original eight weight classes. This allows us to say for example compare how Pacquiao’s accomplishments stack up against Duran’s.

    In Mayweather, I’d like to see the true caliber of his greatness. He’s faired ‘Ok’ in two original eight weight classes (lightweight and welterweight), but his two fights against Castillo at lightweight left a lot to be desired. They revealed a good amount of information as to how he would’ve faired against established lightweight modern day greats like Duran, Chavez, and Whittaker.

    As far as his welterweight venture (2nd original weight class he decided to tackle) was concerned, he did not take on the best fighters in the division during that time. At junior welterweight, he chilled against subpar opposition while the English Polar Bear devoured the Russian Bear in his hometown with the ref aiding him on. His defining moment in this division was facing a past prime overrated fighter that had no business facing world class fighters at 140.

    Finally, at welterweight, he didn’t fight the top welterweights. Instead, he faced off against mediocre opposition which could be sold to the public as a series of historically meaningful fights. In reality, instead of selling himself off as the Undisputed Welterweight Champion, he should’ve actually stepped up and proven it against the top welterweights of that time. No, the top names were not Mitchell, Judah and Baldomir. The top names were Mosley, Margarito, Williams, Cotto, and Cintron.
    When we break down what all of this means, it means that Mayweather is a great fighter that has been successful in two original eight weight classes while not always facing the best fighters in and around those weight classes, particularly at welterweight.

    Therefore, I opine that in terms of all-time greatness, he’s right there with Marquez. No, that wasn’t a typo. I’m talking about Juan Manuel Marquez.
    I’ll explain why in a minute.

    Rest of the article...

    http://boxingfanatics.com/wpz/2009/...-targets-marquez-pacquiao-boxing-immortality/
     
  3. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :yep

    So much for devil's advocate.
     
  4. ApatheticLeader

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    How the **** did you work that out?
     
  5. eze

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    You can't tell? :lol:
     
  6. ApatheticLeader

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    I'm afraid I can't - I need enlightening!
     
  7. eze

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    Mosley is thicker guy that Mayweather, so is Cotto.

    Mayweather is fit but the pictures posted of him make him out to be a body builder.

    Compare tale of the tapes. Mosleys waist, neck, thighs, biceps, wrist, all bigger.
     
  8. Spunik

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    The size difference between Judah & Cotto is what kept that fight from happening.
     
  9. nhojrem

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