The Mayweather effect...

I am sorry but Mayweather's following has been largely mid-western and East coast. That is truth. Pac is international.

Yes, Mayweather has done better in some fights but I am talking about currently and internationally. This is why HBO has used Pac in their promotions. The replay of Pac vs Cotto is and did better than PBF vs Marquez (I work in TV and we get weekly Neilsen updates).

Also, you can argue that Marquez has a potential bigger market in Mexico and Southwest US while Cotto is from a smaller island of Puerto Rico.

He is entertaining OUTSIDE of the ring because he plays the role well. But inside the ring, it is total 180. His fight style does not match his so called persona.

Uhm, yes people do care about how he fights in the ring.

Huh?
First you said "Again the vast majority of people in boxing"
What else do you go buy when every publication, online poll, etc has him ahead. Who cares if they never seen him bleed or lose. That is not the sign of a better boxer. You are feeding me Mayweather's soundbites. I am not RA.


I don't get it. First you say he 'Sweet Science' thus entertaining. Yet you try to defend that people don't care about how he fights. The people say that people who know boxing consider him better than Pac yet every publication and sites have Pac ahead of him but now you say these boxing inside don't matter. It is a circular discussion.
Stick with one logic.

 

The Joyboys always run in circles with their posts.... good luck getting one to stick to a topic in a thread...

 

Pac may have a bigger following in asia. But they dont contribute to pay per views anyway. Mayweather has a huge following internationally. Its clear you're biased but fans were lining up around the block to see Mayweather train when he came to England. As to why Mayweather is inquiring about a fight in England because of his popularity there.

He did better in all his fights except one, and hugely better against common opponents. Stop reaching.

Meaningless. Marquez was viewed as a mismatch. Not a big name in America. Cotto has a big following in America do to puerto Ricans and his style. It was viewed as a toss up by the media. And still it only did what .2 more then Mayweather vs Marquez. If you were trying to make a case Manny is more popular you arent making it

 

Pay per view is not the only measurement of profitability. You are ignoring other barometers purely because it does not favor PBF.

BTW - Pac is also more popular in Mexico and Latin America. As well in other parts of Europe.

Reaching? You are the one that strictly defines profitability on ONE barometer.

How about this - the gate earnings where better in Pac vs Cotto.

Again, I do not disagree about PBF's previous fight. We are discussing now. Pac sold better.


I love how now the Marquez fight is considered a mismatch when previously it was defended by PBF backers.

I am not just talking about casual fan polls, I am talking about major publications like Ring magazine, Sports Illustrated and experts like Bert Sugar.

I don't disagree that PBF will be the favorite over Pac. As I said, styles makes fight. PBF style is considered the counter to Pacs.
But we are talking about overall including ATG, decade and year end. In ATG list, fighter of the decade and current P4P, Pac is ahead of PBF.

I am unclear what you are trying to say here.

 

How can you say he's boring and then turn around and say you like him in the ring? I guess you don't have to make sense, because most kids are not logical thinkers.

 

When discussing popularity, how many peoples buy your fights to i.e see your fights matters more then any other barometers of which you have no idea what they are.

Mayweather sells more fights. Thus is more popular. If Pac was popular he'd sell more fights. Easy.

And how do you know that?

My barometer is the only real way to judge a fighters popularity. YOu didnt even know about Mayweathers popularity in England, how could I expect you to know about his popularity in the rest of Europe or MExico.

Most of the MExicans on this forum, while no love for Mayweather have taken his side over the steroid issue.

Gate is nowhere near as important as pay per view sales. Reaching for gate for Pac vs Cotto a much more known and competitive opponent in the eyes of the public just shows you really have no argument.

Mayweather has sold more pay per views against common opponents. Mayweather sold more fighting Baldomir, Judah and Gatti then Pac got fighting Mexican legends in Barrera and Morales

I never perceived Marquez as a mismatch. Great technical fighter. The public at large did.

Go on classic and ask them about Bert Sugar. Ring is owned by DLH, go look at the article they just wrote about Mayweather against the great welters. Again public perception is Floyds the better fightr, and thats all that matters.

 

YOU said he was boring. I know kids have short attention spans, so you probably don't remember. What accusations have you disproved? Pretending you didn't say things when you did and over looking facts and common sense is not disproving things. Since you only have the mental capacity of a small child you might not remember this conversation in a few minutes. I'll leave you alone now.

 

Actually I do. I worked for a marketing company before my current TV job.
Marketing company give celebrities and athletes a ranking based on how much positive popularity they have. It is part science and part art.

Pacquiao is currently higher than Floyd internationally.

No that is not true. While there is direct relationship that is not an absolute.
There are many artists out there that sells more concert tickets yet have no top 40 hits. There are popular athletes that are not the highest paid in their sport. Marketability and profitability is not quite that simple.

Read trade papers for marketing.

Who said I did not know about PBF UK popularity?

Moot.

Agree that gate is not as important but nonetheless another barometer.
'no argument' ?? Uhm ok...

MAyweather is also American that has spend his career in America while being followed by American media like ESPN, Ring, SHO, HBO, etc.
PPV buys is also heavily an American thing.

What is your point about Bert and the classic forum?

Ring is owned by DLH - They have praised both PBF and Mayweather. They also have Pac higher on P4P ranking.
I don't get your point here.

Public perception - did we not just say that current polls and current PPV favors pac?

 

Then show me your source in real terms for why you think Pacquiao is more popular. I have PPV buys, what have you brought to the table but vague reasonings that Pac is more profitable?

Show me your source and how it translates popularity. Im not just gonna take your word for it.

Whats not absolute about it?

Thats not a bad analogy. I like rap more then rock, but I'd rather see a rock concert live rather then a rap one because rap is atrocious live. But it doesnt mean I still dont favor rap more. More fans might travel to see Pac more hten Mayweather but in terms of putting up 50 bucks a fight, more fans would do that for Mayweather then Pac.

Again if Pac was more popular he'd easily be outdoing Mayweather. And up until his fight with Cotto, it wasnt close.

You said Mayweather was popular international, only on the midwest and eastcoast. Which led me to believe you were unaware of his popularity in England. Simple really.

A barometer not as valuable as buys. And thats all you've brought to the table thus far thats actually of substance.

PPV is a heavily American thing because countries in which Pac is more popular cant afford it, so they show it free like in the philipines. Still I have never seen a fighters popularity judged by anything else. Oscar didnt sell 1 mil a clip and people say this guy was more popular. No you knew Oscar was more popular buy how many people paid to see him fight. Its really the only barometer.

They have Pac on a higher P4P rating because they cant justify Mayweather being number 1. If Mayweather beat a credible opponent he'd probably shoot above Pac here.

My point is that you say Ring favors Pac over Mayweather and thats not the case.

Only 1 "current" pay per view favored Pac, and that was against a more credible opponent. Do we really have to go through this gain and Floyds history of outselling Pac? As for public polls, most public polls online favor Floyd, including the one on this website.

 

(gonna simplify this as it is getting out of hand)

Pac is rated higher in ATG list, declared Fighter of the Decade, current P4P king, Forbes highest paid boxer, Time Magazine 100 most influential people, etc.

I will have to find the Nov papers, but I will post Pac's Q score.

I said largely.
You misunderstood.

Well they favor him in regards to the best fighter of the decade and current P4P ranking.

But we are talking about current. That is what I have said. I never said all time popularity.

Also, can you clarify once and for all if JMM was a legit opponent for PBF?

 

No thats you