When if at all did you notice boxing change? When I started to train with professionals, good professionals, they taught me how to box properly. In doing so, they taught me to analyse properly. To truly see what a fighter does, how he does it. Every single movement. I never noticed it until I knew how to box. I used to look at boxers, world class boxers, like they were in a computer game. That's how easy they made it look. I even googled it and many agree even around the same time I truly knew what I was doing and saw it that the modern day fighters don't throw combo's Like they used to. A guy was saying the work rate isn't what it used to be. Now this isn't the case for all. Some still do have a high work rate and combos. More the combo side I'm getting at. The reason being why many don't throw as many combo's is because A it's not sustainable over 10-12 rounds but mainly because throwing high combo's leaves you vulnerable to the counter. These days and it has been for a while it's more precision that gets used. Once more, it's not to say fighters don't throw a lot of punches per round. They do. It's just not these bull**** combo's like they used to, they were taught or told to do. Its also a lot of punches, just not in high combos. Also, quite simply, they're not going to be in that same spot. Unless they're going toe to toe. But who the **** is going to stay in the same spot? Most aren't. Some stand right in front of you. Won't take a backwards step. Keep stalking you. But when you're hitting or throwing at an opponent, he's going to move. So too should the pad holder teach his student when he's throwing. Combos on the spot for the most part are bull****. A double jab right hand requires steps. Punching requires steps coming forward. Gervonta Davis and Floyd Mayweather are the masters at picking shots. On the contrary Loma was a good combination thrower like Inoue and Pac. Pac got found out evebtually. But these guys are rare. The game evolved as it always does but it evolved in a different way. A simple combo, an old one. A one-two-hook. It never lands. Yeah in combo's you're not supposed to land every punch. But it's just bull****. I should have learnt that a long time ago. I hit someone once with a one-two and by the time I'd thrown the left hook straight right behind that as that was the combo I'd thrown he'd already spun around and almost dropped. Once again that's why it's better to use a lot of steps in punching. Granted I could have missed or he could have blocked the first two and I'd had hit him with the 3rd or 4th punches or both. But I didn't. What would be better is throwing a one two, head movement coming forward then throw a left hook straight right stepping in. Who the **** even throws a 1-2-left hook-straight right in boxing, I never see it. I never see it land. Even with the one-two-hook. Throw a 1-2, roll coming forward then throw. There's so many deviations which could be used. Once again, the point I'm making is, high punch combinations are a thing of the past. You open up with 4-5-6 combo's you'll get picked off after two or 3. There's that much more movement and distance control and has been for a while that countering and precision will see it succeed over combination punching. For the most part. How could I forget. Power punching. Which Davis has. I learnt in sparring the hard way that pitta-pat bull**** doesn't work. Adapted straight away the next time. Distance control, hot throwing too many, precision and power. Evasiveness. Not over committing and throwing too many ( Itauma take note ) a guy I sparred wanted me to over commit and gas out. So then he could swarm me and also fatigue me. Mayweatger was the best for his timing, accuracy and evasiveness. No I'm not bragging either. I've been in there with world class professionals. If you take it as bragging, you're a jealous hater that needs to get out of mommy's and daddy's basement and step in the firing line yourself. Combination punching is still obviously used. Just not the high volume of the past.
Thanks. You make a good point to explain historic differences. I will be thinking on it the next time I watch boxing. Btw I also used to like to keep my training experiences close to actual fighting. Too often boxers just follow exercises and you see fancy combinations/sequences that only work when both partners play along. I would expect these things not to exist in high quality coaching.
With the pitta pat bs I am not sure. I would expect it to work if it still has some small amount of power and is quick enough with good footwork and feints to offset the opponents rhythm. Also with a few sharp shots in between to keep the feints effective. If you're good enough it should enable you to save energy while controlling the fight, no? (At least for short periods of time in between)
Yep. I wasn't clear. You can do it at times and as you said throw some sharp shots with it. I meant in general. A lot of coaches say it's all technique and speed. It's not. Boxing is everything. If you throw pitta-pat shots in the pocket you're going to get iced as power coming back at you will ensure you come off second best. You can only do it at times. You got to have power to back up your opponent or back him off at least. Otherwise they'll just eat what you throw and unload. Fighters take shots to give. You'll come off second best for sure during exchanges.
Yes. True. All it takes is a boxer to pull back then what? Not to say hitting and avoiding getting hit doesn't work. But there's too many bull**** Hollywood movie combo's that are unrealistic.
I do at least see the value in giving a 'general audience' a good feeling about themselves and their ability to defend themselves, as that is the best they can take away from their sessions, since they are not actually dedicated to become real fighters. And I am glad to live in a society where not everyone feels he has a reason to be a fighter. Lots of nice people out there
A couple things. Jermell Charlo's pad work with Derrick Lewis was good. Especially for his style. Though he needs to move his head more and more defensive work. Good realistic offence though. Terence Crawford was spot on. He said a lot of ppl he sparred couldn't move side ways or backwards. When he got them to do that. They were lost. That's basic amateur ****. Even still, heaps don't teach it. It's a joke.