The most embarrassing loss in the last decade ?

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  1. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    it was a big upset but Wongjaram was very old .
     
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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He beat Edgar Sosa five months prior. Around the same time as Jaro was beating a fighter named Alan Ranada, record 18-21-1, in a fight scheduled for eight rounds.

    It was an absolutely astonishing result - as big an upset as has been seen in boxing, never mind the past decade.
     
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    If anyone gives an answer that isn't "Joshua-Ruiz 1" they are wrong, and not just in the last decade but in the last 8 at minimum. It's not even just the aesthetics of it or the manner of the defeat but the fact it was Joshua's U.S. debut and a world heavyweight championship fight (which by far the most people watch relative to other divisions and can be replayed forever at any time in the social media era) at close to the zenith of his popularity, against a late sub challenger from a nation that had never won it, who was a 25-1 underdog.

    Tyson-Douglas and other such fights have NOTHING on it. If you were an ultra-casual you'd think Douglas was the favourite based on aesthetics. And Tyson (who was only dropped once) went out like a warrior, no quit in him that night.

    The only losses that might come close in terms of embarrassment are certain pre-WW2 fights. But even then I think there was more a feeling of general sadness than embarrassment.
     
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    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At this point it's hard to rate anything that happens inside a boxing ring as an embarrassment when so many prominent pros scrupulously avoid doing anything of note inside one.
     
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    is true. is the huge upset
    & embarrassment result yes
    but look back is less embarrassment at such long career with Wongjaram must about be 35 age. this happens 10 year ago but I remember Wongjaram from long long time in 1990s so anything does can happens in so much long careers

    I agree with it is AJ & Ruiz like some many others say
    is big show to announce arrive in America of hype new star heavyweight & is destroy from fat slob also to surrender looks like quitter also
    very embarassment
     
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    Well Ruiz had been ranked top 10 - he had been in the top 10 at HW . AJ would have been ranked 1 at that time, sure, but you're talking about an 11 or 12 ranked guy beating a 1. An upset, yeah, but it's not Douglas-Tyson.

    Wongjaram was the clear #1, probaly more so than Joshua at the time of the Jaro fight. Jaro? Ranking? Maybe something like 200th. 200th in the world, something like that. It's hard to know because it's hard to know how many active flyweights there were in the world. But he certainly would have been below Hiroyuki Kudaka (28-19-4) because Kudaka kicked his ass.

    I couldn't disagree more that Joshua-Ruiz was a bigger upset. I think there is no case on which to base that claim. I think it's entirely spurious. I could maybe understand someone picking Pacquiao-Horn because Pacquiao is top 25 in all of history - not just top 25 in all of flyweight history like Wongjaram - but AJ-Ruiz? No way. Crazy talk IMO.
     
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    AJ Ruiz was all plan out easy debut American in with Miller Big Baby .
    when Miller Big Baby is drug bust cancel is then look for some easy another opponent. short reach & fat no legs speed & who loss with Parker & is just tough Mexican. can be easy wins. the only issue imagine is to wonder if Ruiz is even can fans & media take seriously as a KO victim. this was only actual concerning Eddie Hearn can we sell it as real challenger this fat smile kid?
     
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    not bigger upset.
    bigger embarrassment . everyone is watching AJ as new hype heavyweight American debut. 3 world unified. is in Madison Square arena garden. is big hype everything prime new big champ showcase
     
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    flyweight challenger often are bums? this was sanction. wonder why. but I think the result justify it. somehow.

    why do you think it happens? how did he lose? fix?

    when 200 ranks beats 1 . what is new ranking? does 1 drop to 100 and 200 up to about 50?

    is huge upset yes
     
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    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    Sure, Ruiz AJ was embarrassing for the aforementioned reasons and the aesthetics were comically terrible for Joshua but I'd like to throw in Groves-Froch 2.
    Groves was absolutely milking the perceived "unfair" stoppage and claiming to right an injustice.....only to perform worse and get folded like a cheap deckchair in front of a record Wembley crowd. Yeesh.
     
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    It has to be Joshua’s loss to Ruiz,the big State side unveiling,he got battered then quit ! Nothing against Ruiz what so ever as he is a good fighter but that night at MSG it was a case of when hype meets reality . Ruiz was a cherry pick gone wrong who was expected to make Joshua look good in his first venture off British shores,they got that wrong !
     
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    Fa vs Browne
     
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    Think they offered the fight to Ortiz first who turned them down which was confirmed by the management of ortiz but don’t let that stop you.
     
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    I think if you beat the best fighter in the world in your division, you would always be top ten.

    But Jaro became champion - he became the legitimate, lineal flyweight champion of the world, the same lineage that stretched back to Miguel Canto in the early 1970s, 45 year lineage. Pongaklek was not a beltholder, like AJ - he was real, legitimate, as true as a champ can be. So Jaro became the same thing behind this win. He was #1 with a bullet.

    As to the how, Jaro hurt the champ in the first and he just never recovered.
     
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    yes they did offer to Ortiz & maybe other boxers also who turn it down
    yes
    this is not relevance to how Ruiz is viewed