The notion that Marquez was sluggish vs Pacquiao is nonsense

I did have Pac up by a single point so i suppose in that way he was winning.
But they were discounting most of JMM work which was just sad.

*edit Roy did seem to notice though.

 

Scoring 5 rounds correct? I had Marquez up by a point after 5

 

I could see that too tbh, but yeah after 5.... i did have Pac winning the 6th till the KO.
Im a JMM fan so i try to score close rounds to the other side to not be too biased.

 

Your pretty gullible if you believe this. Nobody knows what would have happened if the fight didnt end on that big punch. Pacquiao looked to be in control of the fight by the time it was stopped. You can't deny Marquez was getting beat up and looked in trouble there. He caught Pacquiao with a once in a lifetime type of shot - all the stars aligned in that moment. Could he have caught Pacquiao later on? Of course, but a KO like that is the result of many factors , and you don't just see those coming around every corner. . Pacquiao also may have very well stopped Marquez, and it looked to be going that way.

 

Glad I didn't bump into idiotic threads claiming he was sluggish. If he was sluggish he would've been out of there early. You can't time someone to land solid shots the way Marquez did being sluggish, no damn way. Especially when Pacquiao was moving his head constantly to close distance, freeze Marqueze and land his own. If Marquez looked sluggish to new fans of this sport it's because Pacquiao speed, constant movement and consistent aggression made Marquez look the complete opposite, which he wasn't.

 

if its the punch I'm thinking off that was a big one!

 

You are right but what I can say is that Manny was winded from them body shots yes he did very well in that last round leading up to getting knocked out but Marquez was tit for tat with him as well.
Manny may have shot his load there in that 5th and sixth round who knows nobody can say that Manny would have still won had he not been knocked out in that round to me Marquez looked not sluggish he looked solid as if he knew exactly what he was in there to do which he did

 

No, his punches looked more pushed to me. But the punches were not really the drastic difference. It was his reflexes and ability to get out of the way of punches that made him look slow. This has nothing to do with the exchanges, as Pac was touching him up and simply beating him to the punch numerous times. All that upper body bulk had some affect on his ability to avoid punches. I'd say it affected that kind of a speed more than punching speed.

 

That was because he was setting his feet to take Mannys head off.
He normally reduces Pacs accuracy with his own lateral movement and subtle upper body movement.... he had no such lateral movement this time.

 

Marquez usually slides back and looks to counter when you miss, in this last fight Marquez took more risk, he knew Manny would come in with that Jab, Left cross and try to finish with the right hook, he was catching the Jab and Cross and looking to fire a hard right hand to beat Mannys Right hook and it worked.

He got hit more here because he took more risk he was not about to let the Judges in Las Vegas **** him one more time he was willing to go out on his shield long before he allowed them to **** him again.

He took risk and they paid off big time

 

^^^this

 

There's an element to that, but when he wasn't setting he looked like in concrete. Just trying to get away but Pac was touching him up way more than any other fight since the first round of their first fight.

He still had lateral movement. Pac did a good job feinting and catching Marquez while darting with footspeed and angles. I'm talking about Marquez's upper-body movement. All that building for power-punching and it is bound to have an affect on your upper-body speed. Marquez was concussed and had a injured or broken nose. What's so hard to understand? Pac fought well but Marquez was taking more punches than he had ever since their first encounter. Nobody takes punches by design. Surely his strategy was more risky. Although the idea that Marquez and Nacho actually thought they would find the KO is becoming an increasingly exaggerated myth.

You guys are all forgetting that he was getting touched up often even when he wasn't firing back. The tape doesn't lie.

 

Marquez ducked some amazingly fast left hands from Pac. The movement was there and the times he was caught was due to the great feinting and head movement of Pac. But Marquez did duck out the way of some monstrous left hands.

 

Pac nearly got himself ko'd after he knocked Marquez down in the 5th. He had Marquez hurt with another right hand and still couldnt take juan out. His aggression was effective but wreckless and would have ultimately resulted in getting caught with a big right hand sooner or later.

Once and a lifetime shot? Take a look at the right hand that buckled Pac in the 5th following the knockdown. Only difference was Marquez disguised it with a jab in the 6th. Manny never saw it.

 

So Marquez knocked the **** out of Pac with only his "B" game.
Imagine what he would of done with his "A" game.