~ The official Jean PASCAL vs. Bernard HOPKINS vote thread ~

Did anyone see Pascal at the end of the Dawson fight. He looked like ****.

He was gassed and it seemed like throughout the whole fight if Dawson was even just a little bit more aggressive and put punches together he would have stopped him.

Pascal may beat old b-hop but he's not p4p material.

 

im gonna be one of thos who writes hopkins off and so will look foolish if he pulls the upset.

 

actually, first of all Bute got up within 10 seconds (real seconds, not the ref count) and second if you read up on the rules you will see that the ref did exactly what is written in the rules.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userfiles/File/IBF-USBA Bout Rules.pdf

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Not only are the scorecards fair regarding Canadian fighters in Canada but also our refs follow boxing's rules by the book which is not the case everywhere (see Mosley vs Mayorga)

 

:deal

 

Pascal close UD.

 

You think he looked bad vs Dawson? Have you seen his fight against Pittman? Watch the 2nd part of the fight, start at around 5m:

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Against a good boxer like Dawson or Hopkins, who aren't having one of those wtf nights like Dawson had vs Pascal, Pascal will have a very hard time... Still a bit stunned at Dawson's loss... Betting on Pascal is risky business imho...

 

Dawson was more hurt and more frequently hurt than Pascal was in their fight. Anyone qwho believes HBO and thinks Pascal was gonna take a knee towards the end of the fight or was even close to being stopped needs to watch more of Pascal's fights. He plays possum a lot and let fighters use up their energy, than has a burst and steal the rounds.

 

exactly. Dawson blew his load in the first 30 seconds of that round and if you pay attention after Dawson lands some of the biggest shots he landed in the whole fight Pascal was able to duck under and get out of the corner and then motioned at Dawson to bring it on (around 2:30 left in the round). Dawson flurries at Pascal but almost everything is blocked. If you look at 1:30 of the video Pascal is bouncing on his feet and 100% recovered. Dawson then lands a big left uppercut but Pascal takes it well and goes back to jabbing Dawson soon after.

The worst part is that its Pascal who lands the last punch of the round, not Dawson.

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anyone who really thinks Dawson was close to knocking out Pascal when the fight was called off is clueless as far as I'm concerned.

And anyone who thinks that Dawson could have won if he was only more aggressive doesn't really understand much about styles. Pascal was staying outside of Dawson's jab and combinations and Dawson can't get anything going if his opponent doesn't stay in his range.

Its not a coincidence that Dawson looked like ****, its a direct result of Pascal's game plan. The only time Dawson started to look OK is when Pascal stopped using his movement because he needed to take breathers.

Pascal schooled Dawson as far as I'm concerned. He took a guy with a huge reach advantage and totally controlled the distance of the fight and made Dawson unable to get off. There was only 1 ring general in that fight and it was Pascal.

 

Doesn't really matter that's only your opinion, someone thinking he was about to be KO'd would tell you that you're the one who's clueless as far as they're concerned.

But you have to agree that Pascal was in trouble in that round. He was losing the round badly, and Dawson looked much better in that round than he did the whole fight. And IMHO, that's because Dawson decided to be more active and actually threw punches, which he didn't do mostly for the rest of the fight. And I believe Pascal was in trouble... About to be KO'd? Who knows, but he wasn't looking too hot there.

I don't agree that someone thinking Dawson could have won if he was more aggressive has anything to do about "styles". As you could see in the 11th round, when Dawson was aggressive and threw punches, Pascal had little defense vs it.

Dawson was just way too passive in that fight. Just didn't throw enough. When he did, like in the 11th, he looked very good and it looked like Pascal had no answer.

No, it's when Dawson got active. Anytime Dawson decided to throw punches Pascal didn't look too hot. Only for some reason, Dawson was way too passive in that fight.

I'll agree that there was only one guy in the ring that night, Dawson didn't show up to the fight. As for schooling, please... Dawson, in his inactivity, still looked better than Pascal, he was relaxed, had good defense, it just seemed like he didn't give a ****, like he was so confident that whatever happened, he'd win. Like he had no urgency at all...

11th round, when he started to throw, he was somewhat starting to show why, when he threw combination, Pascal had no real answer, looked like he could hit Pascal whenever he wanted, and Pascal had no answer... Looked like he could end it when he chose... But then he was cut, and lost the fight, due imho to his inactivity for the rest of the fight...

No question, Pascal won, Dawson lost, but IMHO, it was more a matter of Dawson losing the fight. He just set himself up for the loss.

 

I think this view is CLEARLY too black and white and too biased in Pascal's favour as will be clear to see in the rematch.

 

BHOP on pts ....SD

 

I think Dawson had a window of opportunity with that WICKED uppercut but Pascal has a good chin and Dawson failed to capitalize. By the time the fight was stopped, Pascal had landed to last meaningful punch and seemed tired but on steady legs.

It looked to me as if Pascal has good power because he had Chad backing up whenever he would throw anything.

I'm not saying Dawson wasn't winning the eleventh round.. but I'm not sure he would have won the 12. In both of his fights against Diaconu, Pascal came on strong in the 12th round and Dawson had just blew his load in the 11th.