The real reason Max Baer lost the title

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  1. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Max Baer will not be the first and not the last Champ who will find out
    sometimes defending the title is harder than winning it.
     
    juppity, Jun 14, 2019
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  2. BrutalForeman

    BrutalForeman Active Member Full Member

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    Imagine a prime Baer who developed his jab and defense

    Foreman level power *and greater mobility. Would have been unreal.
     
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  3. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There was speculation at the time that he threw the fight to avoid being tied up with the MSG promotional contract which he was unhappy with. Had he defeated Braddock he would have been bound to it for longer. By losing he was freed up and some theorized that he intended to throw the fight, get out of the contract, then come back and win the title without the MSG contract.
     
    klompton2, Jun 14, 2019
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  4. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Still seems a bit far fetched though!

    At the very least, it would require extraordinary evidence!
     
    janitor, Jun 14, 2019
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  5. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who said anything about excuses?

    This was one of the biggest upsets of all time, so presumable we should try to explain it?

    Any explanation for that level of upset, can be construed as an excuse!
     
    janitor, Jun 14, 2019
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  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Most of the fighters of the times had another job bedsides being a prize fighter. Baer wasn't unique in that respect and whatever he did on the radio is no excuse for not trying in the ring.

    I do agree with the others, he didn't try vs Braddock, and likely tanked the fight, for what reason we will never know.
     
    Mendoza, Jun 14, 2019
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  7. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The explanation is that he didnt have the heart to defend his championship belt.
     
    Glass City Cobra, Jun 14, 2019
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  8. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    or he wasn't even trying to win.... take ur pick
     
    KuRuPT, Jun 14, 2019
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  9. Glass City Cobra

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    Apparently making too much money from side gigs is a valid excuse--oops, I mean, "explanation" for him but not for others.
     
    Glass City Cobra, Jun 14, 2019
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  10. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    OK, but why?
     
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  11. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What was unique about him, was that his acting arguably became more important than his boxing to him!
     
    janitor, Jun 15, 2019
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  12. SolomonDeedes

    SolomonDeedes Active Member Full Member

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    Baer did have a strange attitude to the game. He's the only fighter I've ever seen lose a fight and look more cheerful about it than the man who beat him.

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    SolomonDeedes, Jun 15, 2019
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  13. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Idk, maybe find an interview or ask his shrink? Not sure why it matters 90 years later. Baer had a history of being a clown and not training his hardest. Why can't it be that simple? He got distracted from all his side gigs and wasn't truly commited.
     
    Glass City Cobra, Jun 15, 2019
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  14. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I understood that the purpouse of this forum was to discuss boxing history!
    The world seldom is that simple!
     
    janitor, Jun 15, 2019
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  15. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The idea that Baer didnt have the heart to defend his title against a C level opponent like Braddock is laughable. Baer, unmotivated or not trying (or both), nearly beat Braddock. Thats how limited Braddock was. The idea that Braddock beat Baer on heart is ridiculous hollywood tripe. He beat Baer on activity and it wasnt a whole lot more activity at that.
     
    klompton2, Jun 16, 2019
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