The sadness of once great brit fighters falling from grace

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Dunky McCafferty, Sep 11, 2010.


  1. cankerd

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    Poor ******* is obviously lost - to have achieved so much in your sport and be remembered as a loser has got to sting a helluva lot. Just hope he gets out the other side intact. It really pisses me off people revelling in someone elses self-destruction, but I guess for an on-line forum, that's par for the course. Possible the lass convinced herself she was shopping him for the best of intentions, but presumably she was paid plenty for this.
     
  2. ron u.k.

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    Well do that many end up this way? Of course the ones that do get a lot of attention and publicity but there are many great and good boxers who when retired live a pretty normal and disciplined life,however that obviously doesn't attract newspaper headlines.I suspect Ricky may have gone down this road even if he hadn't had boxing.
     
  3. trotter

    trotter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep, it's a very good point, the average Joe these days is a total ****ing idiot.

    Hatton seems pretty much a standard issue middle of the road scally. A few lines at his age is par for the course really.
     
  4. Losfer_Words

    Losfer_Words Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jesus, how much Sky News have you been watching, Cheeky? The United Kingdom is a ****ing tiny island yet it has one of the highest GDPs in the world, one of the highest standards of living, one of the highest standards of education, has free health care, etc, etc, etc. If you only look for negative news, then that's all you'll ever see. Stop allowing yourself to be spoonfed information at the whim of an outlet with an ulterior ideaology.

    If you aren't a member of the general public, then what exactly are you? The culture of instant gratification is personified beautifully by reality TV; personally I don't get why anyone would enjoy watching mass karaoke. That said, as fans of the brutal sport that is boxing, we are hardly all in a position to sneer at everyone else for what they like to watch. We could spin your comment on it's head and say the youth of today, which you are part of, are barbarians who revel in glorified violence that isn't accepted by the masses of the general public;).
     
  5. cheekyvid

    cheekyvid Detroit, I shall return. Full Member

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    listen pal, i never watch sky news - its the people im referring to that do. what im saying is, look at the news, what is reported - its all grim and dire. now i know fine that there is plenty of good about and that is why i dont subscribe to the nonsense the tabloids and sky news etc peddle. i know the score pal

    the problems i mean are exactly what you seem to think i am(which is far from the truth): people lapping up the bollocks news, the culture of instant gratification(which is exactly what ricky hattons doing, looking for that instant high...), people without morals

    the youth of today reveling in glorified violence? boxing isnt popular though...it used to be more popular in the past...surely the youth of yesteryear revelled in it more...
    that point has been used for generations and will be used again in the future
    "ooh it werent like this when i were a lad, blah, blah"
     
  6. Losfer_Words

    Losfer_Words Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People have been using recreational drugs and drinking alcohol (a legal high) for hundreds of years; it's not a new thing at all and drug consumption will continue for however long people enjoy dabbling. So Ricky Hatton is in the news for taking coke, but how many Doctors have saved lives today?

    As for people without morals, I have met loads of genuinely good people and I have had the displeasure to also meet a handful of society's scum. Based on my personal experiences, I wouldn't say the country is struggling at all. A few idiots and scum who get attention in the news aren't emblematic of the greater society we live in and are part of. Believing in anything to the contrary is sensationalist at best.

    I think you've misunderstood the point I was making about turning a comment on it's head for the benefit of a particular doctrine; that's what I was doing with the part of my post about boxing. If I genuinely believed that then I wouldn't be posting on this website to begin with:good.
     
  7. cheekyvid

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    whatevs, i may have missed your point, but the point i was making was that i believed you missed my point. but by possibly missing your point, the point i made(not my initial point, but my 2nd comment) became irrelevant.

    anyways, i still admire hattons achievements in the ring...(but im telling you, if collzao hatton was in the UK, and collazo was in the condition ricky was in...fight wouldda been stopped long before :deal)
     
  8. Primadonna Kool

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    Sadness what the **** are you on about..?

    For years people have none Ricky Hatton liked a drink and to do a line of coke, Ricky likes having a good time. Thats why he was the people's champion, and the average pub geeza's favourite fighter...........because he was one of them.

    Ricky Hatton is still loaded and is still cashing in, has buisnesses and is flying high.

    Atleast it's made the National News, when Gazza and who's that other fella who died.

    Alex Higgins...."The snooker player"

    Where drinking themselves to death and taking drugs, nobody cared. ............no one's assed.

    Ricky Hatton is just a normal guy who just so happened to be good at boxing. I know plenty of people that snort coke, and work in law firms, work in banks.

    Just people having a good time.

    Falling from grace..? ha ha ha ah aha pathetic.
     
  9. JonOli

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    Frank Bruno:

    sometimes slept in the boxing ring in his garden, the ring in which he won the heavyweight world against Oliver McCall. It was the only place he felt safe, he said, according to the press.

    Cocaine use - depression - sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

    "Cocaine took control of my brain. I wish I'd never seen the stuff". Big Frank
     
  10. Dunky McCafferty

    Dunky McCafferty Boxing Junkie banned

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    Look Mr Kool, please spare me the toughguy coke talk. You think there isnt a sadness when a fighter would rather retire & take drugs rather than fight?

    We are boxing fans, right? & trust me, drinking loads & snorting coke is no laughing matter, its a road to ruin. So you have high flying pals who snort coke & are fine, well good for them.

    Its Hatton we are talking about here, & hes retired early cos hes hitting booze & drugs hard. If that aint sad, what is?

    A good time is having a few beers, getting a kebab & going home to yer kip, not drinking 11 pints of lager, 4 vodkas, 7 zambucas & a couple of glasses of wine while snorting lines of coke, thats addiction material & I should know, cos I have a drink problem myself.

    Im pretty sure if Hatton & Scotty Harrison hadnt got involved in drink & drugs, both would still be fighting at world level today. The fact that ones in a spanish jail & the other is bloated & on the front page of the tabloids looking like a fool tells me there is a sadness about the whole thing.

    Hatton aint no Calzaghe, Rickys always been known as a heavy drinker, & when you introduce a heavy drinker to a drug that enables you to drink even more without falling down? Its not just sad, its dangerous. I just hope Hatton gets it under control before it ruins him like it did Scotty Harrison, remember, Harrison used to have properties in Scotland & Spain, had a trade behind him & was a promising artist before booze & drugs took it all away.

    I stand by what I said, its sad, & worrying when you see Hatton like that, but time will tell if hes only having a bit of laddish fun and has it all 'under control' or hes on a downward spiral. As a drinker myself, I can see the danger signs though, call it intuition if you will.
     
  11. sidthehat

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    In that case the charlie might have saved Hatton's health. He's better doing that and taking shots from bodybuilders in clubs than he is getting back in the ring at elite level.
     
  12. slip&counter

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    It's really worrying these fighters seemingly habitual disposition to such things as the weasel dust. The Rocky Lockridge story is a heartbreaker...it almost ruined my man Sweet Pea and Ray Leonard was no angel either.

    As my other half put it upon hearing the news of Hatton snorting the ruby...Why are men of such courage soo weak at the same time?
     
  13. Primadonna Kool

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    Its not sad, he's having fun. He's still cashing in with his promotions and gyms................he's having the time of his life.

    Ricky Hatton is not stupid, if he wanted to now, he could train like a Mofo and walk around in condition like Mayweather all the time.

    Ricky Hatton used to go on benders like this, when he was at the height of his career. I've heard loads of stories, people who have seen him on holiday smashed and doing coke........no one cared.

    Thats why he was the people's champion and still is...........because he was one of them.
     
  14. Dunky McCafferty

    Dunky McCafferty Boxing Junkie banned

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    You know something Mr Kool? You may just have a point. Im looking at this from the perspective of a working class guy, down on my luck more times than Im up, & heres me feeling sorry for HIM!!! A guy surrounded by women, loaded with cash & living the life of a superstar. You are right Mr Kool, what the **** am I doing feeling sorry for Ricky Hatton!!!

    Im a sucker for a sad story, but as you rightly point out the little ****er is having the time of his life:lol:

    You see, I get a bad rap on ESB, but I post here not to force my viepoint down peoples throats, I listen also, & if I like what I hear Im always willing to shake hands with whoever I am debating with if they make a good case, & you Mr Kool have made me think again.
     
  15. JonOli

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    It's too early to say with Hatton, though I doubt his family are too happy with him right now. I doubt he's had a ball today.

    People make the same excuses for him, as they used to do for the likes of Gazza and no doubt Best before him.

    Only time will tell, but I think he'll be OK in the long term, I think he has a fairly firm set up around him and he doesn't seem too far out there. Given the ridiculous amounts of money that's he's earned it's hard to think that he could ever run out of money either and really struggling that way.

    *Just for the record - I think Gazza and Best far, far greater football talents than Ricky as a boxer by the way*

    Still, as far as the thread goes, there are so many boxers out there who really struggle after their boxing days are over.

    No mention of Ken Buchanan yet...