The Super Heavyweight Era

I believe so too, but you have to keep in mind that Tyson was a freak of nature and an exception of exceptions.

Normally a fighter so much smaller stands very little to no chance (unless again you have exceptional speed/power/skills like Tyson had.)

 

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This is the most ridiculous myth haters lean on out there.:-(

 

I dont think so, Lennox had more of an arsenal than Wladimir id say... Lennox could throw the jab, straight, hook, overhand, and the uppercut.. Very seldom have I seen an overhand or uppercut from Wladimir.. Lennox also would mix it up inside from time to time, Wladimir doesnt.

 

Good point. But I don't think it takes a freak of nature like Mike, just someone that fights small. Arreola could have closed the distance if he was more skilled in fighting small, but he just tried to rush in.

 

I think there should be another div for 220-230lb+

Guys like Lewis and the Klits are (compared to other weight divs) at least 1 and often 2 weight classes bigger. Your average 6'1-6'3 215-230lb well schooled heavyweight is just physically outmatched by not only the Klits but other top heavyweights.

It would be a very competitive div and remove a lot of fat out of condition heavyweights who could drop down to this class.
230lb+ would still be quite a big div and 230lb means its not all the land of super-giants for anyone thats wants to stay with the big boys

Frankly, the human body has evolved a lot in 100 years and a bigger heavyweight div is only natural, not to mention fair.

I think the 230lb cutoff would still keep public interest because a dominant 200-230 champ can always move up if he wants.

I would also maybe bump cruiserweight up to 210 instead of 200.

 

Spot on as always..........people are so general in there analysis or black and white with the viewpoints.


I remember hearing the notion that black men were some how harder or better fighters than white just becuase from the 1940s up to the mid 1990s black americans were the dominent force. Simple and often wrong conclusions as a result of simple analysis.

We now have two white men at the top of boxing and 3 white fighters the top of MMA. The two premier sports in combat. Does this mean white men are better? Of course not.......it just means that the individuals that are currently succesful are white........a chinese fighter could come along etc.

Just becuase in the last decade the 3 best fighters were 6'5/ 6'61/2/ and 6'7/1/2 dosent mean that we arent ever going to see fighters small in height or frame become the best. It simplfying things.

For example if David Haye shows he has the chin to take a shot.......he would beat both Klits but i have the uneasy feeling he dosent.

Or if Povetkin lost the bodyfat and enhance his skill set at avoiding shots whilst coming forward/...then he could do the job.

Anyhow Vitali for me is past it..........but is showing how good a fighter he was at his best......he is in the postion though of getting men who are strong, good chins, but also sitting ducks.

D. Williams, K. Jonson. Peter, Arreola......are very strong men with a good punch but all came in overweight and thus made themselves sitting ducks.

Sanders and JC Gomez gave Klit tougher fights becuase they were able to move quickly and take the fight to Klit.......of course Vitali showed he is the better fighter but still get my drift.

I think Vlad is currently in his prime.

1. Vladimir Klit IBF, WBO, IBO
2. Vitali Klit WBC
3. R. Chagaev
4. N. Valuev WBA
5. A. Povetkin
6. E. Chambers
7. D. Haye
8. J. Ruiz
9. S. Peter
10. D. Boystov

 

Tyson would've defeated any of these heavyweights

 

Nope his chin is that bad. Its extremely average at best. He was shook to the soles of his boots vs Sanders. The same happened when he fought Brewster. Even Samuel Peter had him rocked. Vladimir's chin incomparison to his brothers and by heavyweight standards is very poor. Iv seen Vitali eat hellacious uppercuts and some of the best leather that LL could throw at him and still walk forward. He's never been stopped in any fight from punches.

As for Lennox he wasnt that different. I dont see the composure you talk about. He had one punch KO losses to Rahman and McCall. When he was hurt against Briggs he didnt really have the composure to spoil or clinch or get on his bike. He did the same vs Bruno. Both times though he eventually recovered and got the KO. But Lennox wasnt a fighter. He was a boxer first. He only really fought when threatened or riled. Ala Rahman 2. Other than that he always boxed within himself and never took any risks hence the Tua decision.

 

Height and reach are always useful in boxing, so bigger guys always have the advantage. But 2 meters and more fighters are usually bad coordinated. Klitsckos (especailly Wlad) are exeption. Smaller guys must be in that division to eliminate such poor boxers like Valuev. Only small Chagaev managed to outbox him. Small and old Holyfield also did well. Small Chambers defeated tall Dimitrienko.

 

Actually, Lewis was more of a "fighter" than V Klit because in several fights he was extremely aggressive bombing guys out, Bruno, Golota, Michael Grant, Ruddock, whereas V Klit is always safety first and wear the guy down. Lewis showed no lack of balls when forced into the trenches otherwise he wouldnt have beat V Klit, Mercer or Bruno.

Klit is much more 1-dimensional safety first IMO

 

although there have been guys like holyfield and tyson in the last couple of decades, i think in nearly all cases when a guy is under 6'2 or 6'3 he should be fighting in the cruiserweight division. if a short guy builds himself up enough to fight at heavyweight, it is his own fault if taller guys take him apart because of it. obviously its not true in all cases, but generally it is