The Super middleweight division is looking at its weakest in years

You seem to like the rule of three. Well, Kessler beat the crap out of Beyer and lost badly to Ward. That should mean Beyer is not worth much. More, that means, in your logic, not mine, that Calzaghe is not as good as Ward!


You think that facts cannot be twisted. That means you are so far away to analize what is happening in your head that it's not necessary to conitnue to chat with you.

Ciao!

 

Are you serious?? how am I being racist? Stop trying to make **** up because you cant get your point across...You can play dumb all you want but I'm not the only one that sees your bias agenda here. I would play dumb if I were you as well.!:-(

 

no need upping these ******ed threads with no merit. jsut leave the trolls be

 

He'd left the division by 2002. If he was still fighting at 168, I'm sure he'd be top 10. But nevertheless, it wasn't a good period for him. I think even though the recent version of Johnson is now 41, he'd easily make the top 10 in 2002. I'd put him above the likes of Siaca, Mundine for sure.

Kessler isn't peaked, but I wouldn't say he's past his best. I think he's still prime but coming to the end of it, just not the peak version. Nevertheless, a Kessler appoaching the end of his prime is better than the '02 version of Antwun Echols, who was the Ring #3 in 2002.

 

01. Lucian Bute
02. Andre Ward
03. Mikkel Kessler
04. Carl Froch
05. Andre Dirrell
06. Sakio Bika
07. Arthur Abraham
08. Robert Stieglitz
09. Librado Andrade
10. Glen Johnson

*Other Notable Names:

Dimitri Sartison
Allan Green
Edison Miranda
Edwin Rodriguez
Karoly Balzsay
Khoren Gevor
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2002:

01. Joe Calzaghe
02. Sven Ottke
03. Antwun Echols
04. Eric Lucas
05. Byron Mitchell
06. Charles Brewer
07. Mads Larsen
08. Manny Siaca
09. Anthony Mundine
10. Markus Beyer




Definitely the first list. Mikkel Kessler who is maybe the 5th best super middleweight in the world right now easily schooled most of your top 10 says it all.


I mean the super middleweights now have superior American athleticism, which hasnt had since Roy Jones and Toney left.


I mean Antwon Echols is number 3 LOL!

 

2010:

01. Lucian Bute
02. Andre Ward
03. Mikkel Kessler
04. Carl Froch
05. Andre Dirrell
06. Sakio Bika
07. Arthur Abraham
08. Robert Stieglitz
09. Librado Andrade
10. Glen Johnson

vs

2005:

01. Joe Calzaghe
02. Mikkel Kessler
03. Jeff Lacy
04. Markus Beyer
05. Anthony Mundine
06. Danny Green
07. Manny Siaca
08. Otis Grant
09. Robin Reid
10. Librado Andrade

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Match-up 01 vs 01, 02 vs 02 etc. How many wins does the 2005 lot muster up between them? 3 I reckon. Calzaghe beats Bute, I gave Grant the benefit over Stieglitz, and I don't like 168 Green, but he's big, tough and he's against Bika who is as crude - perhaps more so - than he is, so I gave him a win.

Ward beats even the Kessler of back then. I don't think he's shot today as I said, just a little past his peak but still primed. He was pre-peak then, and stylistically, I think Ward has the edge, plus the guy is going to be a P4P star, he's that good.

Even the Kessler of today - who's now getting under-rated - beats the best version of Lacy, who was shown to be nothing special. Kessler is fundamentally more sound, tough and has a great chin to sustain Lacy's 'power', and has the power and sharpness to his offense to keep Lacy off him and gain his respect.

Froch knocks out Beyer. Froch is genuinely world-class and Beyer isn't, that's all there is to it. He got KO'd in 3 by Kessler, so Froch has the power and high-intensity style to un-nerve him and unset him.

Mundine never has been world-class, when it comes down to facing the top dogs, he's struggling with the overall class. His approach isn't going to fair him well against a rangier, quicker, smarter and more technically skilled Dirrell who coasts to an easy decision.

Siaca again wasn't genuinely world-class, Abraham is like it or not. He has the power to take most out at 168, and that's no different for Siaca who will get caught with power punches. He gets knocked out.

The 2005 version of Reid would probably quit on his stool even against today's Andrade, who's probably a bit under-rated again because people probably think he's finished after the Bute defeat. Reid was done back then, copped a beating from Lacy and needed 4 knockdowns to edge out Magee on points. He's too slow and inactive in the ring by this point to keep Andrade off him and gets outworked and outlanded.

And Johnson today would have beaten the unbeaten Andrade in my mind, no doubt. Stylistcally, two pressure fighters with iron chins going against each other. Johnson's is more tested though and more proven, and he's bigger and stronger and less mechanical and a bit more technical and wins a decision.