The Theory of "Modern Training Methods" Being Superior

i know this because i was a collegiate track and field athlete and when you are throwing a shot or discus and only given 7 or 8 1/2 feet of space to generate speed and power to throw it those are the lifts you use to do that.

Look, I like smokin joe but if he mumbled that to me i wouldnt think anything of it, because i know that if joe did plyos, and said lifts he would have been ever faster and more powerful

 

I cant answer for them

 

I know, that´s why I thought Tyson didn´t do them. He did do plenty of weights after prison this is clearly visible but I don´t think he was more explosive.

 

People ITT are limiting strength training to just free weights, which is ****ing stupid. Traditional boxing training does have strength training. Calisthenics and core bodyweight exercises? Heavy bag drills? Rowing machines? Sledge training? Aren't these all part of a fighters strength training programs, some of which are plyometric in nature?

The truth is that free weights are just a replacement for the strength training that has been in boxing for ages. Strongman work like Louis lifting 75-100lb ice blocks in his youth, Fitzsimmons' blacksmith work which developed his upperbody, Jim Jeffries' singlehandedly making boilers out of cast iron with no machinery? Do people not equate these activities with contributing to a fighter's physical strength greatly? Or do they just not know?

 

And because it made sense for throwing a discus, where you make exactly one thing and train only for this, it makes sense for boxing, where you are not only throwing punches but have to do many other things too?

 

Of course you can´t. It was a rethorical question anyway. If fighters who want to compete at the absolute best do or don´t do something it probably has a reason. So, if explsive fighters like Jones don´t do, or only in a very limited amount, weights than maybe it is because they don´t add much or any to his training.

 

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Yes, because if i didnt do those lifts i would have been slower getting across the circle, thus not generating enough speed and torque to throw the implement as far as possible.

just like boxing, if you dont use those lifts you are not as quick as you could be to dodge a punch and explode with a counter. the final stance of throwing a shot is the exact same as throwing a right cross (arm is just at a different angle) you generate power up from the ground on the ball of your foot, rotating the foot thus generating power up through your core and torso and fire your arm out and turn your wrist over. the lifts help you do that in a quicker more explosive way, which would translate to a more affective and powerful punch. it's all relative

 

Tyson for one did start lifting weights post prison and it did increase his power. Jones must surely have lifted weights training for Ruiz?

There are after all a lot of fighters today who lift weights. They must be getting some from it.

But weights is really just a part. Supplements and diet based on scientific findings is probably significantly more important. I'd say that very few boxers ignore these. You also have superior methods of checking the status of the body and more knowledge of how to optimize this status.

I feel just as non-plussed. Wer'e talking about tarining that enhances the muscles perfomance. Why wouldn't they aplly to boxing?

A lot of it is not done by practicing specific techniques, but rather by work in the gym and superior diet and supplements. In for example football and tennis they have been used to increae players work rate, strength and explosiveness. I'd giess the same is true for baseball, basketball and American Football as well. But not for boxing?

Of course 190 lbs guys will have better stamina in general than 230-260 lbs guys, but relative to size I think the well trained fighters of today have better stamina. There just was nothing even close to Wlad etc back in the day.

I disagree. But I should say that I don't think modern methods have revolutionzied the sport in any way. Just that there's been some improvement in some areas. (And this doesn't, in theory, mean that there can't have been decline in other areas)

However, I'll bow out here. This discussion has been done many times before and this specific thread will go on for a while yet, but Idon't really have much to add.


EDIT: I should probably been more specific with "explosive". I meant in relation to mass, i e power. It should also be pointed out that pads came in use in the 70's it seems (Garfield claims as much). This could perhaps have brought some improvements.

 

Your wrong on numerous counts. Firstly you talk about 'weights' as if all weight exercises and routines produce the same results. If Jones became less explosive he was using the wrong exercises/techniques

If certain weights exercises did not develop explosive speed then Olympic weight lifters would not be faster over 40yards than Olympic sprinters, that research was conducted in the 60s-70s and it speak volumes. Exercises like the Snatch/Clean/Jerk are the most explosive multi-joint movements possible. They are very technical movements however, boxers rarely do them and nearly never improve on them. Anyone who improves on them gets more explosive and faster. I've taken boxers on the pads before and after a session of power jerks and they always punch with more power after, and thats just 1 session

The problem with general weight training of specific muscles is it can develop strength in certain areas while neglecting other, thus creating weak links in the body chain. This makes boxers more cumbersome and less balanced, overall perhaps slower.

Boxers are actually rarely gym rats anyway and this is not a modern phenonmenon as John Garfield has testified regarding the great Willie Pep

As for the question in hand, the only boxers today properly utilising modern training sciences are Ariza and the Klits, both with excellent results. Fred Hatfield had excellent results with Holyfield, although I

Boxing is relatively untapped in the potential of using modern training science to benefit boxers