The title for greatest trainer of all time cus, or ang

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  1. jdempsey85

    jdempsey85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What about stan johnston? Trainer of gerald mclellan after emmanuel steward.
     
  2. Legend X

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    I've been saying this for years. :good

    Also, lots of very good trainers want to stay local and stay with their families.
    They could develop a hundred kids to their full potential and never have a champion. They are not in the game for personal reputation and recognition, ego or money.
     
  3. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You can make a lot of money the way Emanuel Steward conducts his business. He started making fighters from scratch but hes made many millions taking over fighters and polishing them off once they get to the championship level. I dont find a probem with it.

    To your point I agree with your points though. I think Kevin Rooney developed into a fine trainer learning from Cus, but he refuses to leave upstate New York.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Arcel named Blackburn, for whatever that is worth. Obviously he can't name himself, but still.
     
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    Ray Arcel was known as a great conditioner, an expert at getting fighters inside the weight limit and peaking at exactly the right time.
     
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    Emanual Steward
     
  7. round15

    round15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hard to name one greatest trainer, but I won't argue with your top 4 picks here. I would add Freddie Brown to this list. Maybe Jack Blackburn and Mannie Seamon too.

    Arcel and Futch are tops always.
     
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    Woah, you learned from Eddie Futch! That musta been wild. Any pearls of wisdom/useful tips you'd be willing to share that he taught you, M?
     
  9. itliangladiator

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    George Benton should be mentioned. Not the greatest but up there. Lou Duva got most of the credit for his success.
     
  10. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Best piece of advice he ever gave me was to stop trying to lose so much weight.

    "You're a big kid, just grow."

    I matured into a rather large heavyweight, which assisted my career, ultimately, in a colossal fashion, and let me have the amateur experiences that I treasure in my teenage years.

    So, that would be the pearl I love him the most for.

    Most of the other tricks he taught me were ways to work my left hand bomb into a fight. A couple of really intuitive moves and a very intelligent way to bring pressure. I was in awe of the guy. His method for rolling around inside, his punch selection education, his method of drive from the toes and the ass for punching power...I've not encountered anything remotely similar besides watching Steward work.
     
  11. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can't speak for him younger, but this was the case throughout his time as a relevant trainer.

    It is primarily because, in my opinion, he was involved in the managerial aspects of things so strongly. You tend to latch on to stars.

    Probably also an ease thing. To mold an uncoordinated, unathletic, unnatural hack into a real fighter takes a whole lot of time, effort, and concentration. Dealing with Tysons and Pattersons, frankly, would just make your life as a trainer a whole lot easier.
     
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    Emmanuel Steward
     
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    Kang-Jun Ho.
     
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    Sounds like great stuff. Care to go into the mechanics of some of the stuff he taught you, technique wise, I mean?