the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jose Luis Ramirez vs. Pernell Whitaker I


    This is among my least enjoyable fights to watch alongside of Camacho-Mancini and Hopkins-RJJ I! Memory had Whitaker winning in my mind, a rewatch is going to bring insults my way but I am cool with that. A very close fight with 5 debatable rounds for me but I feel Ramirez edged it. Ramirez was the aggressor but clearly not always effective aggression. Pea very seldom looking to exchange is barely ever the aggressor...what do you like more 3-4 flicking jabs thrown on the retreat or 3-4 misses followed by a cleaner hit. Pea likely landed quite a bit more but there was so little substance on them that it didn’t edge the close rounds for me thus time. I do think his corner has a better feel for the fight than the commentary (although Mancini did allude to the fact that judges won’t be impressed by going backwards and not willing to exchange more) or majority of fans. His corner tells him at the end of 10 this is a close fight you need these last 2 rounds...again after 11 they tell him the same thing...Pea boxes brilliantly for the most part but his reluctance allowed Ramirez to land better for my money.

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    1 Whitaker
    2 Whitaker
    3 Ramirez
    4 Whitaker
    5 Ramirez
    6 Ramirez
    7 Ramirez
    8 Ramirez
    9 Ramirez
    10 Ramirez
    11 Ramirez
    12 Whitaker
    116-112 Ramirez

    I did mark 3/5/7/9/11/12 all close swing rounds I could see 117-111 Ramirez all the way to 117-111 Whitaker and not think they were poor cards. Did you like Whitaker’s superior boxing, defense and flicking jab or Ramirez and his aggression and cleaner punching? I am in the minority but I am cool with that!
     
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  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hmm.
     
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  3. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    well that didn’t hurt as bad as I anticipated... I got all worked up over nothing lol
     
  4. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    YDKSAB ;)

    P.S. You know I'm joking.

    P.P.S. You are wrong though.
     
  5. George Crowcroft

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    2017 lmao
     
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  6. PhillyPhan69

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    :tiburon: Rookies lol :boxing1
     
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  7. PhillyPhan69

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    Frank Fletcher vs Clint Jackson

    Another Fun Fletcher fight! Not sure if Clint was overwhelmed early or strategically biding time? Either way it was not effective. Clint comes on in 3-4 hurts Fletcher and seems to be turning the tide, but Fletcher is just relentless. The embodiment of the golden age of Philadelphia Middleweights, Fletcher is the energizer bunny!

    RBR
    1 Fletcher
    2 Fletcher
    3 Even (I was gonna score Fletcher, but then Jackson came on! Was gonna go Jackson but Fletcher finished strong...went even instead)
    4 Jackson
    5 Fletcher
    6 Fletcher
    7 Jackson
    8 Fletcher
    9 Fletcher
    10 Fletcher
    11 Jackson
    12 Fletcher
    I agreed w/the widest judge 8-3-1 but 7-4-1 or 7-5 are fair as well.
     
  8. rorschach51

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    PhillyPhan agrees with me on round 7 :deal: :dancer2:
     
  9. George Crowcroft

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    Yeah but he thought Ramirez won:rosstheboss
     
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  10. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think we only had 2 different. I had 3 even...and I think we had 8? Different? Not sure now, I check a couple of hours ago.
     
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    If you remember I had Pea winning but said it was the first time seeing the fight where I didn't feel it was a robbery at all.
     
  12. PhillyPhan69

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    Frank Fletcher vs Ernie Singletary

    Man I needed this! After suffering through a Whitaker fight, back to back Fletcher fights and I feel like a man again!

    The first 4 rounds are so competitive you can score them all even or opposite from me w/no complaint from me. 5-7 Fletcher asserts his will and begins taking control slowly grinding Singletary down.

    this fight is so much closer than my card, and might be among the best MW fights I have ever seen. Fletcher does some great work with his back to the ropes, and even though Singletary is leaning on him and pushing him there it is Fletcher throwing more, landing more and bringing more power. Great effort from both guys in a nonstop 7 rd war...ref waves it off prior to 8 as Singletary’s eye is cut and closed!

    1 Even
    2 Singletary
    3-7 Fletcher
    Fletcher 69-65 at TOS
     
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    Kazuto Ioka vs Jeyvier Cintron

    Round 1: 10-9 Cintron
    Round 2: 10-9 Cintron
    Round 3: 10-9 Cintron (close)
    Round 4: 10-9 Ioka
    Round 5: 10-9 Ioka (close) great round, both men very crisp and accurate)
    Round 6: 10-9 Ioka
    Round 7: 10-9 Ioka (savage bodywork from the champion)
    Round 8: 10-9 Cintron
    Round 9: 10-9 Ioka
    Round 10: 10-9 Ioka (Cintron's body must be screaming)
    Round 11: 10-9 Ioka (close) SWING
    Round 12: 10-9 Cintron

    My Score: (115-113 Ioka) 116-112 Ioka is a bit wide, but not bad. 114-114 draw would be fine as well.
     
  14. PhillyPhan69

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    Thanks for putting this one back on my list! Just got done and have it wider than you but not reflective of how many close right rounds there were. I can see 118-109 as legit as well as I gave Barrera 3 rounds that were close or borderline even and 6 for Marquez. There were 2 clear rounds both for JMM in my opinion 7 & 10. 3 rounds I had marked as border line even so I could see someone like Ledderman having it for Barrera....I just feel like Marquez edged it back then and now, even though my card might not reflect a close fight it very much was...ultra difficult rounds to score!!!


    Marco Antonio Barrera vs. Juan Manuel Marquez

    This is the night I became a Marquez fan! I used to consider him very good but thought of him as a poor mans MAB. I was hoping and expecting a Barrera win. Not sure how I actually scored it but felt like JMM took it both then and today! A shame that they did not fight 3-4 times like I wished.

    This is not a slugfest, but rather a very competitive strategic hard hitting chess match which is more enjoyable in my opinion. These guys styles compliment each other with both taking the lead effectively band countering and getting countered effectively. I do think JMM was more aggressive and landed the bigger punches and Barrera won the jab department...great fight to revisit!

    round 7 was poorly officiated w/Barrera scoring a KD that was ruled a slip and then Barrera making a poor decision by hitting a still down JMM and losing a point. If Nady has ruled correctly this could have turned a losing round from MAB to a 10-8 round in his favor...but then Barrera lost his focus hitting JMM while down turning it from 10-8 MAB to 10-8 JMM a big swing.

    the HBO commentary was horrible and clearly cheering on Barrera...it took them 2 rounds to admit that the point deduction was valid after calling it a travesty of justice 2 rounds earlier. I did agree that Nady can’t miss that call though very poor as I was ready to score it 10-8 or 9-8 w/the deduction which resulted in a 3 point swing for JMM.

    RBR
    1 MAB (even is fair as well)
    2 MAB (Close)
    3 JMM (Close)
    4 JMM (close)
    5 JMM (close)
    6 MAB (even is fair as well)
    7 JMM 10-8 (horrible officisting)
    8 JMM (even is fair as well)
    9 JMM (close)
    10 JMM
    11 JMM (close)
    12 JMM (close)
    JMM 117-110 on my card but it seems a disservice to reflect that this was an extremely close and closely contested fight! I would have 115-111 if 7 had been ruled properly.
     
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    Myung Woo Yuh vs Oh Kon Son

    Yuh - Son

    R1: 10 - 9
    Yuh extremely adept defensively here. Great parrying.
    R2: 10 - 7
    Two standing 8 counts. Dominant round for Yuh; insane work rate.
    R3: 10 - 9
    Brillaint short work from Yuh. Neither man taking a breath.
    R4: 10 - 9
    Son never stops despite getting dominated in exchanges. Brutal body work from Yuh.
    R5: 10 - 9
    Insane work rate, but Yuh much superior skills wise.
    R6: 10 - 9
    Son has crazy heart, but can't get through.
    R7: TKO
    Son's body gives in before his spirit.

    Notes:
    • Great showing of subtle offensive skills from Yuh, primarily his parrying and crazy work rate. He did struggle more than he should have with the limited Son, perhaps, but Son's heart was tremendous here, and he took a beating while always trying to win.
     
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