the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Too bad for Vito we weren't scoring that day!

    Tough one to score for sure.
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Francisco Vargas D12 Orlando Salido
    2016-06-04, WBC SFW Title

    Jerry Cantu 115-113
    Hubert Minn 114-114
    Lou Moret 114-114
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    Seen someone call this fight on par with Pacquiao/Márquez 4 so I figured why not compare them? Writing before scoring, I have no knowledge of this fight at all, and don't even know who won. Hopefully it's better than Pac vs JMM.

    No need for a feeler out round. Straight to exchanging. After 6, I know I had it wide, but you could feasibly give the first 4 either way. 5&6 were pretty clear cut imo. The momentum shifted clearly in 7&8, Salido landing a bag of shots. Round 9 was war, very hard to split. Round 10 too, but Vargas stunned him and took it. Round 11 was very hard to split as well, I thought Salido's body work took it. Round 12 was well... **** me! What a finale. Salido's late flurry earned it but that was 180 and seconds of brawling. Vargas' face was a mess, at the end. Salido looked better at the end, extraordinary for a 35 year old.

    It's always great when the judges get it right.
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    Rd. OS : FV
    1. 9 : 10
    2. 9 : 10
    3. 10 : 9
    4. 9 : 10 (37-39)
    5. 9 : 10
    6. 9 : 10
    7. 10 : 9
    8. 10 : 9 (75-77)
    9. 10 : 9
    10. 9 : 10
    11. 10 : 9
    12. 10 : 9 (114-114)
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Juan Manuel Márquez TKO9 Juan Diaz
    2009-02-28, WBC/WBO Title

    Max DeLuca 77-75
    Duane Ford 75-77
    Levi Martinez 76-76
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    10 year age disparity, here. 25 to 35. Márquez's longevity was excellent when you think about it, especially when you think about all the wars he was in. Watching the pre fight introductions; Diaz looks like a good guy and an exciting fighter. Márquez too, but I already knew that. I said it already but, who doesn't like Márquez?

    Round 1&2 were close enough to go either way. Márquez was stunned in both by left hooks, but adapted nicely and landed more in return. Depends what you like, but I like Márquez's classier skills. Diaz cleanly out-working JMM in the third. The fourth was beautiful violence... I couldn't split it. In the 5th, Diaz's picture perfect left hooks snagged it in my eyes. The 6th was similar to the 4th in that Diaz cleanly out-worked JMM. In 7th, Márquez started out timing him but Diaz kept piling on pressure and took another round. The 8th another all-out war, but Márquez stunned Diaz late and that's what took it.

    The uppercut which got the KO was as textbook as they come. A perfect example of how skilled Márquez was.
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    Rd. JMM : JD
    1. 10 : 9
    2. 10 : 9
    3. 9 : 10
    4. 10 : 10 (39-38)
    5. 9 : 10
    6. 9 : 10
    7. 9 : 10
    8. 10 : 9 (76-77)
     
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here is the second fight between Sumbu Kalambay and Herol Graham

    Round 1: 10-9 Graham
    Round 2: 10-7 Graham (Graham scores 2 knockdowns)
    Round 3: 10-9 Kalambay
    Round 4: 10-8 Kalambay (the ref didn't care for Graham's penchant for spinning his opponent. He warned him twice and then deducted a point)
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Graham
    Round 7: 10-9 Graham
    Round 8: 10-9 Graham
    Round 9: 10-9 Kalambay
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Graham
    Round 12: 10-8 Kalambay (I have no idea why Graham had this point deducted)

    Total: 114-112 Graham

    Definitely thought Herol deserved this one. But good fight and they fought their hearts out. Actual scores were 116-111, 115-114 and 115-112 all for Kalambay. I can only consider the 115-114 reasonable.
     
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    George, loved this fight when I first saw it. Thanks for bringing it up. What a tremendous war.

    Round 1: 10-9 Diaz
    Round 2: 10-9 Diaz
    Round 3: 10-9 Diaz
    Round 4: 10-9 JMM
    Round 5: 10-9 Diaz
    Round 6: 10-9 Diaz
    Round 7: 10-9 JMM
    Round 8: 10-9 JMM
    Round 9: JMM stops Diaz

    Total (through 8 completed rounds): 77-75 Diaz

    A tough fight to score. I think you and I only agreed on half of the fight. I had the same score as Harold Lederman, but I know our rounds 6 and 7 were inverted. It was just that kind of a fight. Diaz' aggression against the pin-point punching of Marquez. A very fine line in scoring, but what a fight!
     
  6. cleming

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    Thanks for the feedback, glad you enjoyed it once again !

    I'm not as articulate or thougtful than some of you but I realy enjoy reading this topic and I read it from the start so keep up the great work.
    Right now on my watchlist I have Khaosai Glaxy and Yuh.

    Some very enjoyable (if not great) fights I came across lately :
    Charli Magri vs Eloncio Mercedes
    Charli Magri vs Frank Cedeno
    Michael Carbajal vs Robinson Cuesta
    Yoashiaki Numara vs Raul Rojas (unfortunately only two rounds are available but they are well worth a watch)
    Every Kastuya Onizuka title figths (minus Seung Koo Lee). Was this guy ever in a bad fight ? He is truly amazing.
    Jorge Paez vs Louie Espinoza I
    Yuri Arbachakov vs Puma Toguchi (thanks to asianboxing wonderful closet classic section)
    Ken Norton vs Scott Ledoux
    Howard Davis vs Norman Goins
    Mark Kaylor vs Roy Gumbs
    Tony Sibson vs Frankie Lucas
    Colin Dunne vs Billy Schwer
    Antonio Rivera vs Calvin Grove
     
  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Saul "Canelo" Álverez TKO11 Sergey Kovalev
    2019-11-02, WBO LHW Title

    Julie Lederman 96-94
    Dave Moretti 96-94
    Don Trella 95-95
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    First time watching this one in it's entirety. I saw extended highlights and about 6 rounds the weekend it happened but never got round to completely scoring it and it wasn't too hard to score, but there were lots of close/swing rounds*. Kovalev's jabbing was the main factor in winning rounds, whilst Canelo's pressure and body work wore him down and eventually set up the KO.

    *4/5/7/9/10 were close enough to be split either way.

    Since it's Canelo; it's controversial. What'd you expect? The controversy here, imo, is simply haters looking for dirt on Canelo. It was a peach of shot which got the KO, and the dive claims are obviously bull****. Looking at the cards, is anyone surprised Canelo was up? I'm not. It was a close fight, you know what happens with him and those.

    The rehydration clause and Kovalev's age is definitely a viable accusation, though. He was 35, and had known weight problems. These things meant Kovalev was just a shrivelled shell of his former self, relying solely upon his jab and feet. His power, strength and chin had gone.

    Great win, still, just not as great as it could've been.
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    Rd. CA : SK
    1. 9 : 10
    2. 9 : 10
    3. 10 : 9
    4. 9 : 10
    5. 10 : 9 (47-48)
    6. 10 : 9
    7. 9 : 10
    8. 9 : 10
    9. 10 : 9
    10. 10 : 9 (95-95)
     
  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sooooooo I finally got round to it. :p
    Myung-Woo Yuh SD15 Joey Olivo
    1985-12-08, WBA LFly Title

    Carlos Berrocal 148-142
    Jesus Celis 143-145
    Samuel Conde Lopez 146-141
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    Tough one to score, but plenty of action. Awesome fight. Too good to be missing rounds. Demarco fight was better, though.

    Both of these guys are supremely skilled, and clearly had issues with going to war! Said method of fighting really gave Yuh the advantage imo.
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    Rd. Yuh : JO
    1. 10 : 9
    2. 10 : 9
    3. Missing
    4. 9 : 10
    5. 9 : 10 (38-38)
    6. 10 : 9
    7. 10 : 9
    8. 9 : 10
    9. 10 : 9
    10. Missing (77-75)
    11. 10 : 9
    12. 9 : 10
    13. 9 : 10
    14. Missing parts
    15. 10 : 9 (115-113)

     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Orlando Salido KO11 Terdsak Jandaeng
    2014-09-20, Non-Title fight

    Robert Hoyle 96-91
    Patricia Morse Jarman 96-91
    John Madfis 96-91
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    For such an amazing fight, this was a piece of **** to score. The 6 KDs did it for me! Awesome set of shots to get the KO too, punch perfect left hook, right uppercut.

    Why did Salido have to be a drug cheat? He embodies what I like in tough fighters yet used PEDs... I'm now in a dilemma whether I'm a super fan or not.
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    Rd. OS : TJ
    1. 9 : 10
    2. 8 : 10
    3. 10 : 9
    4. 10 : 8
    5. 8 : 10 (45-47)
    6. 10 : 9
    7. 10 : 8
    8. 10 : 9
    9. 10 : 9
    10. 10 : 9 (95-91)
     
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  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Tyler went away. Tyler's gone. Staff Member

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    Jandaeng always was a low-level fave of mine (as was Salido, but he is hardly under the radar, probably among the most famous journeymen ever). A lot of people dismiss JMM's easy & dominant victory over him because he isn't much of a name, but - to me it just cements what a h2h beast prime Dinamita was. :thumbsup:
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That was an almightily (is that a word? I think not. :sisi1) fast reply. Are you stalking me, IB?

    Márquez was an animal in his prime. He was animal past it too, look at the Diaz fights. Turdsack has the most unfortunate name ever... Salido is entertaining as FOOK. I intend to keep watching! Lomachenko fight up next.
     
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  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Tyler went away. Tyler's gone. Staff Member

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    I'm just highly caffeinated today, and spending a few quality hours fucking around lurking on the forum to make up for lost time (barely read or posted in any threads for that week I was compiling the Mamba encyclopedia). :sisi1 You happened to have the newest post as of my last refresh - and you're on the VIP click list.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Tyler went away. Tyler's gone. Staff Member

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    Oh, speaking of both of them, JMM vs. Salido is every bit the wet dream it sounds, if you've not already gotten to it:

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  14. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ayyyyyyyyyyyyy look at me getting clout. I've already been told I'm mod worthy this week; now I'm on IBs VIP list? Damn I must be something special. Hehe :cool:

    Yeah, I feel you on the "nothing to do, let's watch strangers argue over unprovable **** on a forum" vibe. I do it myself, and someone as hyper-active as me, but with such a short attention span means I jump from thread to thread aimlessly. It's somewhat helpful as I soak up knowledge that quickly leaves my head but is stored by my autism and called upon when needed. The other day I realized that I knew there were 2 big venues in Las Vargas, and that Mosley/Margs was moved from one to the other. Why the **** do I need to know that??? Look, see, I'm rambling again. :lol:
    Not yet, but my list is:

    Orlando Salido vs Lomachenko, Márquez, Lopez 1&2, Gamboa, Martinez 2
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Tyler went away. Tyler's gone. Staff Member

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    You won't be disappointed once. :deal:
     
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