the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,451
    4,604
    Mar 2, 2006
    Orlando Canizales v Clarence 'Bones' Adams

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Canizales
    Round 3: 10-9 Canizales
    Round 4: 10-9 Canizales
    Round 5: 10-9 Adams
    Round 6: 10-9 Adams
    Round 7: 10-9 Canizales
    Round 8: 10-10 Even
    Round 9: 10-9 Canizales
    Round 10: 10-9 Adams
    Round 11: Point deducted from Adams for holding behind the head and then his corner stops the fight.

    Total through 10 completed rounds: 97-95 Canizales (actual scores: 96-94 for Canizales by all three officials)

    This was a bout where every round was contested closely. For one so young (18), Adams put up a very good fight. The ending was the oddity. Adams was putting up a good fight, but when the ref deducts the point (which I thought was a bit harsh. I really didn't see him holding and hitting, which would be a viable penalization), his father in the corner stops the bout. Maybe he knew more than we did of how the kid was reacting. This wasn't as good as the Lizarraga-Ncita fight, but it was decent.
     
  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,451
    4,604
    Mar 2, 2006
    Tony Sibson v Louis Acaries (European middleweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Sibson
    Round 2: 10-9 Sibson
    Round 3: 10-9 Sibson
    Round 4: 10-9 Sibson
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Sibson
    Round 7: 10-10 Even (shortened round)
    Round 8: 10-9 Sibson
    Round 9: 10-9 Sibson
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Acaries
    Round 12: 10-9 Sibson

    Total: 119-112 Sibson (actual scores: 118-117, 117-116 both for Sibson and a 118-116 for Acaries)

    Y'know, back in the day before we had access to fights, I would pore over magazines and other text and even though I had never seen a particular fighter, I could get a mental sense of how he fought. The mental picture I had of Acaries and his countryman Rufino Angulo for that matter, was they were a type of big one-punch bangers. And this proved to be true of Acaries (I've still never seen Angulo fight).

    Regarding the fight and scoring, I felt Sibson simply outworked Acaries. Louis would land one big punch, but Sibson was carrying the freight round after round. It bogged down those last three rounds where Sibson did a lot of clinching, but Acaries throughout the fight was simply depending on that one big shot to turn it around. The three Euro officials had it unbelievably close. I thought I was heavy with three Even rounds, but they had 5, 6 and 7 rounds Even respectively. I get it that it can be tough sometimes discerning between several smaller shots and one big shot, but for the most part I felt Tony's all-round game was better.

    One last thing. The 7th round was short by 26 seconds because of a faulty house-bell (which sounded more like a fog-horn). This hurt Acaries more than anything because he had pulled that round even on my card and could have taken it or dropped Tony because he had more momentum at the time. They finally turned off the house-bell around the 9th round because it rang again about a minute into that round. They finally reverted to something that sounded like two coconuts being banged together.
     
    William Walker likes this.
  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,451
    4,604
    Mar 2, 2006
    Israel Vasquez v Oscar Larios II

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Larios
    Round 3: 10-9 Larios
    Round 4: 10-9 Larios
    Round 5: 10-9 Larios
    Round 6: 10-9 Larios
    Round 7: 10-9 Larios
    Round 8: 10-9 Larios
    Round 9: 10-9 Vasquez
    Round 10: 10-9 Larios
    Round 11: 10-10 Even
    Round 12: Larios drops Vasquez twice and the ref stops the bout

    Total through 11 completed rounds: 109-102 Larios (actual scores: 107-102, 107-102 and an amazingly close 105-104 all for Larios)

    Every fighter hits an absolute career physical peak and this had to be it for Larios, although he still put in quite a few amazing wins in his career. Man, what an engine this kid had. It was pure workrate that had Larios so far ahead on my card. I was stunned really. I felt at any time Vasquez was going to kick in his next gear, but it really never happened. Larios just kept him on the end of a fusillade of punches from beginning to end. But despite my one-sided score, this was still a damn good fight. It wasn't like Vasquez wasn't throwing punches, just not at the rate Larios was.
     
    George Crowcroft and Jel like this.
  4. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,451
    6,582
    Jul 16, 2019
    I watched the Oscar Bonavena vs Karl Mildenberger fight from 1967. I saw that fight live on ABC's Wide World Of Sports. I think that it was very competitive, that Bonavena was more awkward than Karl was. I still scored it for Oscar, due to the knockdowns,
     
  5. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Active Member Full Member

    935
    1,102
    Apr 29, 2020
    We both watched the fight live then, I also favored Bonavena, a couple of old codgers now :)
     
  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,451
    4,604
    Mar 2, 2006
    Carlos (Sugar) DeLeon v Alfonso Ratliff (cruiserweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 DeLeon
    Round 2: 10-9 DeLeon
    Round 3: 10-9 Ratliff
    Round 4: 10-9 Ratliff
    Round 5: 10-9 DeLeon
    Round 6: 10-9 Ratliff
    Round 7: 10-9 Ratliff
    Round 8: 10-9 Ratliff
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Ratliff
    Round 11: 10-9 Ratliff
    Round 12: 10-9 Ratliff

    Total: 117-112 Ratliff (actual scores: 116-113 and 117-114 both for Ratliff and a seemingly ridiculous 117-114 for DeLeon for a split win for Ratliff)

    This was a fairly decent fight. DeLeon really looked like he was going to take off with this fight early, but Carlos was always a sort of lazy fighter and Ratliff really picked up the tempo and started hammering him whenever he could. The 11th round was about the best for action. That score for DeLeon was one odd tally. Couldn't see that coming.
     
    William Walker likes this.
  7. young_wolverine

    young_wolverine Member Full Member

    243
    183
    May 31, 2019
    Lee Selby vs George Kamboos JR
    Round 1: Selby 10-9
    Round 2: Kamboos 10-9
    Round 3: Kamboos 10-9
    Round 4: Selby 10-9 (Close)
    Round 5: Selby 10-9
    Round 6: Kamboos 10-9
    Round 7: Kamboos 10-9
    Round 8: Kamboos 10-9 (Close)
    Round 9: Kamboos 10-9 (Close) (Suuper close round but imo Kamboos just edged it)
    Round 10: Selby 10-9 (Close)
    Round 11: Kamboos 10-9
    Round 12: Kamboos 10-9
    Kamboos 116-112
    Close fight Kamboos has a lot of dimensions to his game he'll probably cause Teo some problems. I was impressed by his ability to largely outbox a fighter as slick as Selby for large portions of the fight. I watched the fight for the first time at work as it happened and only saw the first couple rounds haven't been able to sit down and score it until now. I get why its such a controversial decision each round was hard to score as Selby would control the first 1-2 minutes and then Kamboos would start timing and winning the last 2-1 minute making many rounds hard to give a clear winner too.
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2021 at 1:54 PM
    scartissue likes this.
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,451
    4,604
    Mar 2, 2006
    Eloy Rojas v Wilfredo Vasquez

    I always liked Wilfredo Vasquez but had never seen Rojas fight before. Here we go.

    Round 1: 10-9 Rojas
    Round 2: 10-9 Rojas
    Round 3: 10-9 Vasquez
    Round 4: 10-9 Rojas
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-10 Even
    Round 7: 10-9 Rojas
    Round 8: 10-9 Rojas
    Round 9: 10-10 Even
    Round 10: 10-9 Vasquez
    Round 11: Vasquez stops Rojas

    Total through 10 completed rounds: 98-95 Rojas (actual scores: 96-94, 100-92 and 98-92 all for Rojas leading)

    Rojas certainly had the dimensions on the shorter Vasquez, but seemed intent on knocking him out and stayed inside much longer than he should have. When he was keeping Vasquez on the outside of his shots he was golden. Vasquez, meanwhile did what Vasquez does. Work the body and fired those clean looping shots every chance he could and it paid off in the 11th round. Good fight. If you watch it, watch the Ironbar version. It's not as crisp a video as the other one you'll fight on youtube, but it has all the rounds where the other is missing a couple.
     
  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,451
    4,604
    Mar 2, 2006
    Philly, I watched this fight today and then checked if anyone had seen it. Lo and behold, you did about a year and half ago. I think your score was very relevant because it was a tough fight to score. In fact, this should be a template for scoring and to sift through the mire. There were so many variables on this because the crowd and the Thai announcers scream at anything Galaxy does, Galaxy's punches have much more wallop early on and then eventually bogs down into slaps, while Vasquez plugs away to the body and head with non-colorful shots. It really is a toughie to score as you said. Perhaps if the film was a bit sharper we would have more confidence in our cards.

    Wilfredo Vasquez v Khaokor Galaxy

    Round 1: 10-9 Vasquez
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Vasquez
    Round 4: 10-9 Galaxy
    Round 5: 10-8 Vasquez (scores a knockdown)
    Round 6: 10-9 Vasquez
    Round 7: 10-9 Galaxy
    Round 8: 10-9 Galaxy
    Round 9: 10-9 Galaxy
    Round 10: 10-9 Vasquez
    Round 11: 10-9 Galaxy
    Round 12: 10-10 Even

    Total: 115-114 Vasquez (actual scores: 115-113 and 115-112 both for Galaxy and a 114-113 for Vasquez for a split win for Galaxy)

    The knockdown was a bit funky. I really can't find any info on this whether or not it was official. Clearly, both Philly and I felt so. Galaxy clearly went down and the ref sent Vasquez to a corner and turned to the timekeeper to pick up the eight count. However, this is where it gets a bit hazy. It doesn't appear the timekeeper even tried to do so and the referee glares at him in a really pi**ed off manner. He then wipes Galaxy's gloves and has them box on. It was up to the ref to score this a knockdown, not the timekeeper. Was it official? Anyways, a very close and tough fight to score.
     
    PhillyPhan69 likes this.
  10. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    8,053
    13,497
    Jul 25, 2015
    I really like watching Bones. He was a solid, solid fighter. He knew his stuff. For his age, and being against Cani, the competition was very impressive.
     
  11. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,679
    5,579
    Apr 9, 2020
    Bronson is back!
     
  12. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    8,053
    13,497
    Jul 25, 2015
    Hiroshi Kawashima vs Boy Aruan

    Title defense for Kawashima. 115lbs. From the start, it is immediately apparent that Kawashima is a skilled operator. Well schooled movement, sharp and practised. However, he's in against another southpaw here, and he's an aggressive one. Kawashima struggles to adapt to the streams of aggressive southpaw leads from Aruan, and land his own, but they are much too infrequent in this short bout. Multiple protestations from Kawashima about head clashing. Not justified in my opinion, as he frequently look to hold or swerve Aruan's head when he is in the danger zone. There is more controversy over a punch after the break which knocks Kawashima down, in which Aruan is not deducted a point, with commentators complaining. Justified, in my opinion, as Kawashima had again been holding the head down. Aruan could not see what he was occurring and throws a left inside as was his game plan. In any case, Kawashima seems to recover pretty quickly. Aruan also lands some good body shots early, but the flash comes when Kawashima, angered, starts laying out flurries of hard shots, which accurately find the mark. Repeatedly Aruan is hurt and staggered by fast screw shots and uppercuts, until an especially energetic pounding is stopped by referee Padilla in the 3rd round. A decent showcase for Kawashima.

     
    George Crowcroft likes this.
  13. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,451
    4,604
    Mar 2, 2006
    Wilfredo Vasquez v Juan Lazcano

    I do enjoy a Wilfredo Vasquez fight, but clearly this is one I should have given a pass on. Lazcano, known as 'The Hispanic causing panic', was simply too big, too young and too hungry for the 39 year old Vasquez who was only having his third fight at 135, where he clearly didn't belong. No point in running a card here. Vasquez tried but was simply outgunned in a fight where I gave every round to Lazcano before stopping Vasquez in the 9th. Quite amazing the talent level of Lazcano and the fact that he had to be one of the few very talented fighters in the multi-champion era who never won a strap from one of the big 4 alphabets.
     
  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,451
    4,604
    Mar 2, 2006
    Jose Luis Castillo v Juan Lazcano (Vacant WBC lightweight championship)

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Castillo
    Round 3: 10-9 Castillo
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Castillo
    Round 6: 10-9 Lazcano
    Round 7: 10-9 Lazcano
    Round 8: 10-9 Lazcano
    Round 9: 10-9 Castillo
    Round 10: 10-9 Castillo
    Round 11: 10-9 Castillo
    Round 12: 10-9 Castillo

    Total: 117-113 Castillo (actual scores: 117-111, 116-112 and 115-113 all for Castillo)

    This wasn't the barn-burner I was hoping for but it did have some hard-banging moments. I think the main factor in the bout was Castillo's constant banging downstairs every chance he got in every clinch. The facial impact Lazcano suffered also was immense. His eyes were mere slits in the last round where he showed tremendous heart trying to pull out the fight. Not great, but a good fight.

     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    91,195
    10,094
    Mar 21, 2007
    Chad Dawson UD12 Tomasz Adamek

    Dawson's shorts are ridiculous. McGirt is right on Adamek for following after the first round, step out, cut him off, Dawson is fast and has good distance, so he's going to land those sharp punches if Adamek gives him the real-estate. Dawson surprises with confident body punches to open the second and it's hard for just a second to see where any Adamek success is going to come from? How will be succeed? He's not boring in, he's not going to be able to jab at the quicker man, he feels planless, not least because Dawson has planted his feet. They are bumping up a lot lead-foot to lead-foot.

    Adamek does have a good third though, just a bit more aggressive, landed a couple of good rights to the body, he's driven off too easily though and is probably outlanded again, a snapping straight left though probably poaches it for Dawson! But it's a closer round. McGirt, again, good in the corner after the fourth, he's telling Adamek, don't run when Dawson throws, throw with him, picking him to be stronger, but it's tough, tough to let a guy hit you when he's hitting you that fast, whole body is screaming evasive maneuvers. Press ringside is revealed to have it universally 4-0 as Dawson drives Adamek back and into the corner in the fifth. Where is an Adamek round going to come from?

    Adamek is dropped in the seventh to add to his woes, and the fight is gone from him on the cards. He was unlucky, a straight left sent Adamaek flying back, good optic, about a minute left, but Dawson's foot was behind Adamek as the punch went in, and it was part trip. In truth though, if you get hit with as many very good punches as Dawson is landing here, you will get bowled over at some point. Adamek was rattled twice more in the round by Dawson punches.

    Comparisons in the commentary to the Calzaghe-Lacey fight are not unfounded through nine.

    In the tenth though, a glimmer for Adamek. Dawson has been getting a little ****y maybe, throwing more, had Adamek really miserable in the ninth, but he's looking for something that might not be there, in part at the behest of Mayweather Snr. in the Dawson corner. McGirt, meanwhile, is threatening in earnest to stop the fight after the ninth. "One more round I'm going to give you."

    Anyway, about half way through the round, Adamek lands his warning shot, a short straight right that finds the button and Dawson look like he wants to move for a spell, though he comes back with a hard combo. Dawson looked to be moving across Adamek square, a little carelessly to his own right and another one of those chopping rights puts Dawson down on his trunks. Adamek comes in hard behind the count and the fight blows up for the remaining seconds.

    I think if not for that flash this would have been remembered as one of the great and surprising schoolings.

    Dawson:1,2,3, 4,5,6,7*,8,9.
    Adamek:10*,11,12.

    * Adamek down, pretty unlucky really, looked like he tripped
    **Dawson down