the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Benitez was also winning up close and didn't let Duran bully him. He looked much stronger at 154 than at welterweight.

 

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Exciting if one sided bout..

Not gonna let you know whom I had ahead so as to not giving away the winner in case you dont know who won it, but let it be known, i scored all rounds 10-9..for the guy who won it.

 

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A robbery of a decision at the end.

 

D, here is my card from a couple of years ago. It is like I said below, a difficult match to score and I had to stay riveted on how fortunes changed. I should also note, although I had 3 even rounds, you and I did not disagree on any of the remaining 12 (I don't consider an even round a disagreement, just a soft difference).

Antonio Cervantes vs. Wilfred Benitez

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Benitez
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Benitez
Round 5: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 6: 10-9 Benitez
Round 7: 10-9 Benitez
Round 8: 10-9 Benitez
Round 9: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 10: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 11: 10-9 Benitez
Round 12: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 13: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 14: 10-9 Benitez
Round 15: 10-10 Even

145-143 Benitez

I found this to be a difficult fight to score. Depending on how one scores a fight has a lot to do with this. Do you prefer a light-tapping point gaining type of boxing (Benitez) or a lesser work rate with more oomph in the shots (Cervantes). I like good clean punching and this one straddled the fence for me and I found that I had to keep my concentration at the Nth degree for this one.

 

I'm scoring Benitez/Palomino fight later today if you want to compare scorecards.

And yeah I know you prefer to score closer rounds as even, nothing wrong in that it's just preference.

But yeah we pretty much see the same fight.

 

Wilfredo Benitez vs Carlos Palomino

1 Benitez
2 Even
3 Benitez
4 Palomino
5 Palomino
6 Benitez
7 Benitez
8 Benitez
9 Benitez
10 Palomino
11 Benitez
12 Palomino
13 Palomino
14 Benitez
15 Benitez

145-141 Benitez

I thought you'd be interested in my scorecard after we had this discussion recently @Addie @No_name_tard

Funnily enough i thought the pattern of this fight was very similar to the Cervantes fight, Benitez had the best of it in the 1st half of the fight. Then Palomino just like Cervantes comeback in the 2nd half to make it closer, with Benitez closing the show in the last 2 rounds to win a competitive but clear decision.

Overall two of the judges had it fair with Benitez winning by 3 and 4 points respectively, i'm not sure what the other judge was looking at when he scored for Palomino by 3 rounds horrible scorecard.

But yeah overall a good fight with a few nice momentum swings to make it an interesting fight worth watching.

 

This was from 2011.

 

I had it 9-6 for Benitez, so glad your scores are similar.

 

Potentially 4 rounds at most on my card. I scored a few even.

Definitive winner in any case.

 

A closer fight than I had remembered it.

Carlos Palomino v Wilfred Benitez (welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Benitez
Round 4: 10-9 Palomino
Round 5: 10-9 Palomino
Round 6: 10-9 Benitez
Round 7: 10-9 Benitez
Round 8: 10-9 Benitez
Round 9: 10-9 Benitez
Round 10: 10-9 Palomino
Round 11: 10-9 Benitez
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Round 13: 10-9 Palomino
Round 14: 10-9 Benitez
Round 15: 10-9 Benitez

Total 146-142 Benitez

Not a great fight but damn good fight between two fighters that are vastly underrated as the years tick by.

 

Muhammad Ali vs Jimmy Young

1 Young
2 Young
3 Young
4 Ali
5 Ali
6 Ali
7 Ali
8 Young
9 Young
10 Young
11 Young
12 Ali 10-8 round
13 Ali
14 Young
15 Ali

142-142 Draw

Ugly fight that i don't think either fighter really deserved to win it was a glorified sparring session, i do think the referee was right to administer a count for Young in the 12th round for sticking his head out of the ring as he'd done a few times already.

Young also did this two more times in the 13th round and he was lucky not to be counted again, the round itself Young may of edged with 1 or 2 right hands but i so disgusted by the tactics of Young i awarded the round to Ali.

And no Young wasn't robbed you don't win fights by sticking your whole body out of the ring multiple times and barely throwing a punch in anger for the whole fight.

Young only has himself to blame he had probably the worst ever version of Ali up until that point in his career who was grossly out of shape. And Young didn't even try and separate himself from Ali and really try to win.

 

Muhammad Ali vs Doug Jones

1 Jones
2 Ali
3 Ali
4 Ali
5 Jones
6 Jones
7 Ali
8 Jones
9 Ali
10 Ali

96-94 Ali

Ali's first real acid test Jones landed the harder single punches and Ali was the more active fighter with his jab and combinations. I had the fight even after 8 rounds but Ali clearly won the last 2 rounds showing he could dig deep for the first time in his career.

 

Wallace 'Bud' Smith v Jimmy Carter III (lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Bud
Round 2: 10-9 Bud
Round 3: 10-9 Bud
Round 4: 10-9 Bud
Round 5: 10-9 Bud
Round 6: 10-9 Carter
Round 7: 10-9 Carter
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Bud
Round 11: 10-9 Carter
Round 12: 10-9 Bud
Round 13: 10-8 Carter (battering)
Round 14: 10-9 Bud
Round 15: 10-9 Carter

Total: 144-142 Bud Smith (actual scores: 143-135 and 2 scores of 143-139 all for Smith)

I won't pretend to understand the 10 point system employed in Cincinnatti back in '55, other than to say maybe they were given Carte-Blanche on being a bit liberal with distribution. Other than that, I really enjoyed the fight. Not slam-bang but I just enjoyed the talent at hand. Judge for yourselves how this unfolds and what you like in scoring because it was the banger (Carter) against the boxer (Smith) and what you give more credence to. Smith fought a brave fight. He was the boxer but stuck to the feared banger like flypaper, firing throughout the 15 rounder such an assortment of short, sharp left hooks and right hands that I favored him over hard-banging Carter, who ended up with a cut and closed right eye. I did give Carter a 2 point round in the 13th however, when he had Bud hurt and went all out. Again, not a slam-bang affair, but it you enjoy nice boxing over a true championship limit, I think you'll like this one.

 

Bowe vs Golota II

Watched this based on recent forum discussions that pointed to this being a great, action packed fight. I had not watched it in a long time and was familiar with the story lines and always remembered Bowe just getting the **** kicked out of him. For about 5 rounds this was a fantastic fight. Both men hurt each other, both went down, Golota fouled in multiple ways and was docked and warned. Bowe had Golota in all kinds of trouble in round 4 and Golota went low, possibly to get a break.

The 6th round through the 8th Bowe was like a heavybag, he barely was on his two feet. I think Golota landed 40 punches in round 6 and 50 in round 7. Thell Torrence told Bowe between rounds that he was going to stop it if he did not see something. Bowe landed two hard right hands to begin the 8th and took less of a pummeling, enough to convince Torrence to give him another 3 minutes. Bowe did better this round and with hardly any time remaining in the 9th Golota ripped off a series of low blows that dropped Bowe down and Eddie Cotton called it after some initial confusion with Larry Hazard

I was not actively scoring the fight but it was not a hard fight to score. I found myself agreeing with Lederman's card and Bowe would have needed a miracle. Had Cotton just merely taken a point in round 9 and gave him 5 minutes, the fight would have come down to round 10.

-A lot was made during the broadcast regarding Bowe's weight cut. He looked incredible and trim body-wise. However, he was not sturdy and his conditioning was a problem as he fatigued. I know Ali deceived the press ahead of Holmes by doing a similar thing. I would love to look more into this story about how he came down. Foreman kept going on about it during the broadcast about him needing to be heavier and that he took the weight down wrong

-Larry Merchant irked me for lack of a better word by being a real apologist for Golota. He kept insisting the final rally of low blows was accidental. He kept pushing the idea that Andrew was tired and cut and caught up in the heat of battle. I totally disagree with this notion, his vision was not obscured, he saw where he was hitting and I think deliberately ripped those shots there. In fact, all the early low blows were clearly intentional. The head butt was also egregious

-In the comment section a lot was made out of the argument Golota had with Roger Bloodworth after either round 3 or 4 where it appeared Andrew was trying to quit and Roger yelled at him that he was okay and that the fight was continuing. The video I watched was a rebroadcast from HBO so they mentioned the possible fractured jaw wound up negative on Xray but his eye and lip needed about 18 combined stitches. He packed it in vs Grant and maybe he was trying to do so here

Just a weird fight in general. Its amazing that Golota could not just keep it together for another 12 seconds and another 3 minutes

 

Watching it live it was incredible, one of the best heavyweight wars I've ever seen.