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Melchor Cob Castro v Chiquita Gonzalez I (light flyweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Castro
Round 4: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 5: 10-9 Castro
Round 6: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 7: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 8: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 9: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 12: 10-9 Gonzalez

Total: 118-113 Gonzalez (actual scores: 116-112, 116-113 and another 116-113 all for Gonzalez)

I still had Chiquita Gonzalez in mind after the Pasqua fight and checked out his regaining of world title laurels here. What's notable here is that Gonzalez is not as sloppy as he was in the Pasqua fight, but he was against a solid, experienced fighter here in Castro. Through the first 6 rounds, this fight was as tight as could be. Even thereafter, tissue-paper thin rounds. I can say unequivocally that the only dominant round was the 12th. No fireworks or tremors here, but for the purist, a good solid fight with good exchanges.

 

Jose Torres v Dick Tiger 1

Rd 1: Tiger
Rd 2: Tiger
Rd 3: Torres
Rd 4: Torres
Rd 5: Torres
Rd 6: Torres
Rd 7: Torres
Rd 8: Torres
Rd 9: Tiger
Rd 10: Tiger
Rd 11: Torres (at last an exciting round! )
Rd 12 Torres
Rd 13: Tiger
Rd 14: Torres
Rd 15: Torres

Final score: 10-5 TORRES

Official scores were 10-5, 10-4-1 and 8-6-1 in favour of Tiger. According to Boxrec "19 ringside sportswriters were polled after the fight. 13 scored for Tiger, 5 favored Torres and one called it a draw". So yeah I am definitely in the minority, but I guess not completely alone in my belief that Torres deserved to win.

Spoiler: Fights I have scored on this forum

Usyk - Fury 1: 116-111 USYK
Saddler - Elorde 2: SADDLER wins by TKO in 13th round - 114-113 SADDLER (Fight was originally scored on a 5-point system)
Arguello - Boza-Edwards: ARGUELLO wins by RTD in 8th round - 79-73 ARGUELLO
Beterbiev - Bivol 1: 115-115 DRAW
Barrera - Morales 3: 114-114 DRAW
Usyk - Fury 2: 115-113 USYK
Canzoneri - Ross 2: 8-6-1 ROSS
Pintor - Zarate: 143-141 PINTOR
Pintor - Davila 2: 143-142 PINTOR
Camacho - Mancini: 114-114 DRAW
Marquez - John: 113-113 DRAW
Rodriguez - Griffith 4: 69-66 RODRIGUEZ
Lockridge - Boza-Edwards: 98-92 LOCRIDGE
Whitaker - De La Hoya: 114-113 DE LA HOYA
Saddler - Flanagan: 6-3-1 FLANAGAN
Griffith - Benvenuti 1: 9-6 BENVENUTI (alternatively 143-140 Benvenuti)
Trinidad - De La Hoya: 116-113 DE LA HOYA
Hagler - Leonard: 117-112 HAGLER
Zaragoza - Banke: 115-113 ZARAGOZA
Monzon - Valdez 2: 143-141 MONZON
Chacon - Lopez: CHACON wins by TKO in the 8th round - 7-1 Chacon
Torres - Tiger 1: 10-5 TORRES

 

James Toney vs Montel Griffin 1

1 Griffin
2 Griffin
3 Toney
4 Toney
5 Toney
6 Toney
7 Griffin
8 Toney
9 Griffin
10 Griffin
11 Griffin
12 Griffin

Griffin 115-113

So the general feeling is that Toney was hard done by in the Griffin fights but i actually felt Toney legitimately lost this fight. He was too casual for me in that fight and didn't show enough urgency, especially in the later rounds in which Griffin to my eyes stole the rounds with the more flashy work and appearing to want it more than Toney.

The biggest talking point in this fight is rounds 3 and 7 both fighters were wobbled by single punches.....

Griffin almost went down from a right hand in the 3rd and was all over the place and to me it appeared to be a knockdown.

Then Toney was wobbled in the 7th and fell back into the ropes with only the ropes holding him up.

So it appeared to me 2 legitimate knockdowns may of been missed.

Overall it was a decent technical fight nothing special but decent, Toney landed the harder punches the issue was he allowed the smaller man to back him too much and steal rounds from him just by being the aggressor. Griffin showed a good jab and actually outjabbed Toney and whilst Griffin's punches didn't have much oomph in them i liked his aggression and workrate more. Toney is so frustrating to watch if he would've just lifted the pace a bit more it was a winnable fight for him, but was far too casual for my liking and he let the smaller man outhustle him.

 

I had this a draw: 114-114. The judges had it 114-114, 115-113 and 116-112 to Griffin. So between us we have the same scores as two of the judges. I thought 115-113 to Griffin was fair enough; 116-112 is a bit too wide but I can’t feel too sorry for Toney - this was really the beginning of his wilderness years. A bit more dedication and he would have beaten Griffin but he allowed the fight to slip away from him.

The ‘knockdowns’ would have effectively cancelled each other out in scoring terms but I think Griffin touched down with a glove (although the camera angles were inconclusive) so Joe Cortez possibly missed that one. I wonder about the Toney KD. He seemed to get cuffed in the back of the head which unbalanced him - maybe Cortez would have waved it off as a KD if he hadn’t landed against the ropes or maybe he felt the ropes didn’t keep him up - I don’t know, it’s a strange one.

 

Yeah 116-112 is definitely too wide I have no issues with Griffin winning but certainly not by that much.

I will be rewatching the 2nd fight soon I do recall thinking Toney won that one.

Overall though Toney had no real success at Light Heavyweight which was strange to me ecause he was having trouble making weight at Super Middleweight. So you'd think moving up in weight would be beneficial to him especially since he was a good Cruiserweight. But he was flat as a pancake at Light Heavyweight I'm not sure why maybe just mentally going through a bad patch ?

 

Alexis Arguello vs Rafael Limon

Rd 1: Arguello
Rd 2: Limon
Rd 3: Arguello - Amazing round! It was actually dead even until Arguello rocked Limon with a powerful right with 5 seconds left.
Rd 4: Limon
Rd 5: Even
Rd 6: Arguello
Rd 7: Arguello
Rd 8: Arguello
Rd 9: Even
Rd 10: Arguello
ARGUELLO wins by a TKO in the 11th round
Score after 10 completed rounds: 6-2-2 ARGUELLO

Actual scorecards: 6-2-2, 7-1-2 and 7-2-1 for Arguello

Gutsy performance by always dangerous Bazooka Limon. He unfortunately sustained a cut above his right eye after what appeared to be an accidental head clash in the 1st round. First five rounds were actually rather close and competitive. Limon was scoring well with his signature left hook, while Arguello was having success with his lead right. In the 6th round Arguello seized the initiative. He picked up the pace and started to use his wide variety of tools to the full extent. His jabs and lead rights were landing with a pinpoint precision and the referee was forced to stop the fight in the 11th due to severity of Limon's cut. Good fight!

Spoiler: Fights I have scored on this forum

Usyk - Fury 1: 116-111 USYK
Saddler - Elorde 2: SADDLER wins by TKO in 13th round - 114-113 SADDLER (Fight was originally scored on a 5-point system)
Arguello - Boza-Edwards: ARGUELLO wins by RTD in 8th round - 79-73 ARGUELLO
Beterbiev - Bivol 1: 115-115 DRAW
Barrera - Morales 3: 114-114 DRAW
Usyk - Fury 2: 115-113 USYK
Canzoneri - Ross 2: 8-6-1 ROSS
Pintor - Zarate: 143-141 PINTOR
Pintor - Davila 2: 143-142 PINTOR
Camacho - Mancini: 114-114 DRAW
Marquez - John: 113-113 DRAW
Rodriguez - Griffith 4: 69-66 RODRIGUEZ
Lockridge - Boza-Edwards: 98-92 LOCRIDGE
Whitaker - De La Hoya: 114-113 DE LA HOYA
Saddler - Flanagan: 6-3-1 FLANAGAN
Griffith - Benvenuti 1: 9-6 BENVENUTI (alternatively 143-140 Benvenuti)
Trinidad - De La Hoya: 116-113 DE LA HOYA
Hagler - Leonard: 117-112 HAGLER
Zaragoza - Banke: 115-113 ZARAGOZA
Monzon - Valdez 2: 143-141 MONZON
Chacon - Lopez: CHACON wins by TKO in the 8th round - 7-1 Chacon
Torres - Tiger 1: 10-5 TORRES
Arguello - Limon: ARGUELLO WINS by TKO in the 11th round - 6-2-2 Arguello

 

Did this one about a year ago and had it much closer than you (although if you give both even rounds to Bazooka we’re not far apart:

Alexis Arguello (c) vs. Rafael “Bazooka” Limon, schedule for 15 rounds for the WBC super featherweight championship on July 8, 1979 at Madison Square Garden’s Felt Forum in New York City.

Arguello, 27, is 58-5 (50) and making the fifth defense of his title. At 5-10, he weighs 130 on the nose and in post-fight interview admits he had trouble making weight.

Limon, 24, is 43-8-2 (30) and ranked No. 1 by the WBC. He weighs 129 and is 5-7, giving away height and weight.

I’m scoring it on New York’s round system that was in use at the time. All would be 10-9 if using that method.

1. Arguello: Bazooka bombs away with two big lefts in the first 10 or 15 seconds. Alexis settles in and begins sharpshooting with that straight right hand and lands enough jabs to edge it. The biggest thing that happens is a clash of heads that leaves Limon bleeding over his right eye, a problem that will plague him throughout. Referee Tony Perez rules it was from a punch, but video seems to suggest otherwise.

2. Limon: Ninety seconds of nothing then fireworks in the second half of the round. Limon works that left under and over and can’t seem to miss with it. He doesn’t back away from Arguello’s power.

3. Even: What a round. Arguello buckles Bazooka early but Limon storms back and takes command, working Alexis over to the head and body. He’ll throw six to land two and take whatever he has to take to get his in. But then AA hurts him again late. I can see this to Arguello but I saw it as even. Limon’s cut really opens up but he also opens a cut below Arguello’s left eye.

4. Limon: Clubs away with that left, still on target. He also lands a neat right uppercut-overhand left combo.

5. Limon: He can’t miss with the left. Arguello digs in and lands his big stuff. Another clash of heads and Limon looks to the ref to complain … and Alexis, not always the gentleman, clocks him with a right. Bazooka comes right back at him with vigor.

6. Arguello: Pace slows and Arguello lands the cleaner punches.

7. Arguello: Repeat of the fifth, Bazooka retreats more and is wiping the blood away from his eye throughout.

8. Arguello: Limon moves around a lot more, fighting in spurts. He seems ahead until Arguello comes on late in the round, clipping him with a couple big shots before the bell.

9. Limon: Bazooka bombs away with that clubbing left.

10. Arguello: He snipes with that right hand and lands a big hook late. Bazooka really beginning to look like he can’t see with all the blood, which has his lemon-colored trunks a shade of red.

11: Referee Tony Perez steps in to look at the cut and stops it at 1:40.

My card: Arguello 6-5 (one even). Official scores: 6-2, 7-1 and 7-2.

I thought it was much more competitive than the judges. Wonder what the scores would have looked like if they had fought in LA.

Arguello was really right-hand happy in this one, seemingly solely intent on landing one big bomb to end it. He landed a few good hooks but rarely threw it, toyed with body work in a few spots but nothing steady, and really didn’t do much with the jab most of the way.

Trivia note: First Sunday afternoon fight in NYC history, apparently. Boxing on Sundays had been outlawed and that law was finally overturned.

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I too did this about a year ago. I'm closer to @Viy score than yours, Pat, however, it's like you said, if I tipped my even scores to Limon we're just about there.

Alexis Arguello v Bazooka Limon (jr. lightweight title) (NY rounds scoring system)

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Arguello
Round 3: Arguello
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Limon
Round 6: Arguello
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Arguello
Round 9: Arguello
Round 10: Arguello
Round 11: Referee stops contest with Limon bleeding profusely from the right eye

Total: 6-1-3 Arguello (actual scores: 6-2-2, 7-1-2 and 7-2-1 all for Arguello)

Haven't seen this fight since '79. Loved it then and loved it now. Bazooka was always so awkward but when he was prime - as he was here - his bombs really made one forget that his feet were wrong, he was always off-balance and he had no real jab. But man, could he hit and could he take a punch. The cuts were unfortunate with the heads, but an orthodox and southpaw style never meshed and there was always going to be head clashes. And of course, once Arguello saw blood, those razor jabs and lead rights were going to widen the cuts. It was amazing - as I didn't remember it - to see Arguello nail Limon when he was complaining to the ref. AA was always such a gentleman in the ring it really seemed out of the ordinary. But in the heat of battle, anything can happen. Great seeing these two in action again.

 

Ernesto Marcel v Alexis Arguello

Rd 1: 10-9 Marcel
Rd 2: 10-9 Marcel
Rd 3: 10-9 Marcel
Rd 4: 10-9 Marcel
Rd 5: 10-9 Marcel
Rd 6: 10-9 Marcel
Rd 7: 9-10 Arguello
Rd 8: 9-10 Arguello
Rd 9: 9-10 Arguello
Rd 10: 9-10 Arguello
Rd 11: 10-9 Marcel
Rd 12: 10-9 Marcel
Rd 13: 10-10 Even - Broadcast interrupted amidst the round due to technical difficulties.
Rd 14: 10-10 ??? - Appears to be completely missing.
Rd 15: 10-9 Marcel

Final score : 146-141 MARCEL

Actual scores: 146-140, 146-142 and 146-140 in favour of Marcel

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I am pretty much in agreement with the judges. For the first six rounds, champion Marcel put on an absolute clinic. He was slipping Arguello's punches and was scoring efficiently with his straight right. It looked like Arguello was out of his depth until the 7th round when momentum started to shift. Marcel seemed to have slowed down and Arguello was finally having real success. Rounds 8 & 9 were his best rounds. He unleashed a furious barrage of punches as Marcel was pressed on the ropes, but the champ somehow managed to weather the storm. Marcel came out rejuvenated in the 11th round and displayed some excellent footwork. He took the later rounds. This was an intriguing fight. 21-year old Arguello made a good account of himself, but the master technician Marcel was simply too much for him at this stage of his career. I believe it's a pity that Marcel decided to retire shortly after this fight, because I would have loved to see more experienced Arguello have another shot at him.

* It is possible that it's not 14th round that is missing. Commentary was in Spanish and the round number was never shown, so I wasn't able to pinpoint the missing round. I have read in BoxingNews24 article that the 7th round was the best round for Marcel, but from what I managed to gather it was the 6th round in which Marcel really hurt Arguello (at around 17:00 mark). So take that into account please.

 

Marco Antonio Barerra vs Erik Morales II

I scored it 115-113 for Erik Morales.

Totally different fight than anyone expected, but was still a good fight IMO. I thought Barerra was going in with the same exact gameplan that he had against Hamed, trying to box behind the jab, but Morales is one hell of a boxer himself and outboxed Barerra and won 4 out of the first 6 on my card. The 11th round was a very hard round to score and one that Barerra arguably won. Now if i give Barerra the 11th, then a draw is what i have. I think Had Barerra started a lil bit earlier Maybe he wins a comftorable decision. This was a very close fight though, but I felt 116-112 in favor of Barerra was way off.

MAB. Morales

R1. 9. 10
R2. 10. 9
R3. 9. 10
R4. 9. 10
R5. 9. 10
R6. 10. 9
R7. 9. 10
R8. 10. 9
R9. 10. 9
R10. 9. 10
R11. 9. 10
R12. 10. 9

115-113 Erik 'El Terrible' Morales

 

Marcel was the first person to pierce Arguello's championship rally machine and was the only one able to do it until Pryor came in.

 

What are your guys thoughts on Beterbiev v Bivol 1? About to score now

 

Here is how I scored it:

Rd 1: Bivol
Rd 2: Bivol
Rd 3: Even
Rd 4: Bivol
Rd 5: Beterbiev
Rd 6: Beterbiev
Rd 7: Bivol
Rd 8: Beterbiev
Rd 9: Bivol
Rd 10: Even
Rd 11: Beterbiev
Rd 12: Beterbiev

Final score: 115 - 115 DRAW

Best Bivol rounds: 2 & 9
Best Beterbiev rounds: 11 & 12

 

I had it 116-112 to Bivol iirc.

 

Bivol Beterbiev 1

Rd. 1- 10-9 Beterbiev (Close but gave it to him because he was coming forward, I guess. lol) May have to rewatch that round again honestly.

Rd. 2- 10-9 Bivol (Boxed effectively)

Rd. 3- 10-9 Bivol (Boxed and moved effectively)

Rd. 4- 10-9 Beterbiev (Super close round. I hate even rounds so I’m going to give this to Beterbiev but a lot of great defense from both men here.)

Rd. 5- 10-9 Bivol (Even until the last 30secs. Sort of pieced him up there at the end of the round and blocked most of Bievs return fire.)

Rd. 6- 10-9 Bivol (yes he’s moving a lot, but not running IMO. Moving a pot shotting effectively. Didn’t really see Biev land hardly anything of note. 4-2 Bivol after 6.

Rd. 7- 10-9 Bivol (just landing beautiful eye catching punches . Biev just hitting gloves. Kind of reminds me of Canelo just hitting gloves.) 5-2 Bivol

Rd. 8- 10-9 Beterbiev. (Bivol seemed to take the round off. Good defense just didn’t throw much until the last 10 seconds) 5-3 Bivol

Rd. 9 10-9 Bivol. Just landed more.
6-3 Bivol

Rd.10 10-9 Beterbiev. Another close round. Just liked how the round ended with him coming forward throwing.
6-4 Bivol

Rd. 11 10-9 Beterbiev. Honestly, first undeniable round for Biev. If he had been fighting like this since round 8, he may have won more convincingly on the official cards. Still though, my card is 6-5 Bivol.

Rd. 12 10-9 Beterbiev. Another Biev round although not quite as dominant as round 11.

Final Score: 6-6 DRAW.

Thoughts on this fight… I feel a draw was probably the best Biev should have done. Most of Bivols rounds were clear. Most of Bievs rounds could have went either way. If I had to rewatch and score it a second or third time, Id probably have it 7-5 or 8-4 at most to Bivol. But I have to go with my initial score like the judges would’ve had to do in the moment as well. Biev waited to let to put his foot on the gas. But all in all, this was a HIGH, HIGH caliber fight. Exactly what an undisputed championship fight should look like. Two outstanding fighters. I think Biev taking the championship rounds is what gave him the win to the judges. I think Biev comes on stronger, earlier in the rematch.