the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

1 : Ray Robinson
2 : Harry Greb
3 : Henry Armstrong
4 : Roberto Duran
5 : Ezzard Charles
6 : Sam Langford
7 : Muhammad Ali
8 : Willie Pep
9 : Bob Fitzsimmons
10 : Joe Louis

 

No Benny Leonard?

 

Hmm,thought I move Leonard to 9 and remove Zivic,then add Canzoneri to ten.

 

#01. Harry Greb
#02. Ray Robinson
#03. Henry Armstrong
#04. Sam Langford
#05. Ezzard Charles
#06. Benny Leonard
#07. Roberto Duran
#08. Muhammad Ali
#09. Barney Ross
#10. Archie Moore

 

Johnny Bratton W15 Charlie Fusari

@Young Terror posted this in the Johnny Bratton thread, and while I'd seen him once or twice, I'd never seen this and had never seen Fusari. I was struck at how similar in overall stance and style Bratton was with his obvious idol, Ray Robinson. The low hands, the dancing footwork, the flurries thrown in like fashion, lots to compare there. He lacks Ray's aggression and ability when tired and damaged to summon fight-changing combinations and they don't pack the same power as Robinson's, that's the kicker. The style is there, but not quite the substance.

Fusari, for his part, is dogged and brave, and throws nice combinations but he doesn't have the head movement or the springs in his legs Bratton does, so his attack is in a straight line the whole time. Bratton uses angles and dances in and out of range while Fusari cannot, leaving Charlie frequently batting at air as Bratton moves out of range of his straight punches thrown from a far more static postion. Bratton's feet are the key here, and they won him the fight in my opinion.

Excellent ebb and flow in this one. Bratton floored Fusari twice, the second time for a nine-count, and had Fusari covering up several times, but Fusari would roar back despite being cut over the left eye in the very first round and being badly swollen on the left side of his face for the last haf of the fight. Bratton tired enough late to earn the industrious Fusari the lion's share of the championship rounds through sheer grit, but it's hard to overcome the early advantage Bratton had with the two knockdowns included.

Excellent fight, highly recommended. Both men showed a lot.

1. Fusari
2. Bratton
3. Bratton
4. Bratton (10-8, knockdown)
5. Bratton
6. Bratton
7. Fusari
8. Fusari
9. Even
10. Bratton (10-8, hard knockdown)
11. Fusari
12. Fusari
13. Bratton
14. Fusari
15. Bratton

144-140 Bratton.

 

Miguel Canto vs. Kimio Furesawa (6/15/77)
Round-by-round: CCCCfCffCCCCCCC (147-138 Canto)

This is the best Canto looks in any of the fights of him that we have. It's not his best performance, as Furesawa wasn't really a world-class fighter, even if he did legitimately earn this shot with a KO of Shoji Oguma. Canto stayed in motion almost all fight with the controlled, purposeful movement that you'd get from a cat. Sometimes he'd stay on the ropes, but he never seemed truly trapped there. Around the seventh round he realized that he could jab with impunity and started throwing more of them, doubling and tripling up, and soon enough Furesawa's face started to swell. By the end of the fight he looked awful. Canto had this one move wherein he'd shove Furesawa off him and immediately throw the jab, and the challenger just couldn't do anything about it.

The judges had the fight 149-139 (Mexican judge Escalante), 149-140 (Japanese judge Tezaki), and 148-138 (English ref Gibbs). The only rounds any of them gave Furesawa were the fifth and eighth, which he won by swarming Canto and throwing so many punches that Canto couldn't block or dodge all of them. This worked for Furesawa in those two rounds, but he had to take some jabs coming in and some counters, and it wasn't a successful strategy over the course of the fight, even if it went better for him than his mid-range boxing. I gave Furesawa the seventh as well, a round in which he was outlanded probably four to one, for when he knocked Canto backwards with a hard left and landed a few other good shots. The Japanese judge had six even rounds but also scored the thirteenth and fifteenth 10-8 for Canto. The fight probably could have been stopped after the thirteenth. I guess they wanted Furesawa to prove his mettle by going the distance, and Canto did seem quite respectful of the beaten challenger after it was over.

 

I just watched Ali vs Young. People claim Young got robbed I strongly disagree.

1. Young
2. Ali
3. Young
4. Ali
5. Ali
6. Young
7. Ali
8. Young
9. Ali
10. Young
11. Young
12. Ali 10-8
13. Ali
14. Young
15. Young

So for me it was a draw. Lots of close rounds 2/3/10/13/15 so I split the rounds.

 

George Foreman v Jimmy Young

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Young
Round 3: 10-8 Young (The ref penalized Foreman a point for rough-housing)
Round 4: 10-9 Foreman
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Young
Round 7: 10-9 Foreman
Round 8: 10-9 Young
Round 9: 10-9 Young
Round 10: 10-9 Foreman
Round 11: 10-9 Young
Round 12: 10-8 Young (scores a knockdown)

Total: 117-111 Young (actual scores: 118-111, 116-112 and 115-114 all for Young)

Not a spine-tingler but a fight that had its moments. I would have given Foreman a 10-8 round in the 7th because after he hurt Young early he then went on to batter him through the middle of the round. However, Young fought back so well in the latter portion of the round, I only felt that it was a 10-9. Again, maybe not a brawl, but it did provide some drama which kept me riveted.

 

Brandon Rios vs Mike Alvarado II

GREAT FIGHT! I had Alvarado winning pretty clear 116-112, the judges surprisingly had it closer at 115-113x2 and 114-113...????

Rios Rounds: 1, 2, 6, 7 *(6th was very close)
Alvarado Rounds: 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. The judges gave Rios too much credit imo, still a great fight the best of the trilogy.

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Sal, I remember a few years back we did this fight on @PhillyPhan69 late lamented FOTW thread and we all had it very close. There seemed to be a bit of a split on personal scorecards. I don't think I understood it then but have since figured it out that this was scored on the Midwest's 10 point system where the winner of the round gets a score of 6-4. If the round was even it was a simple 5-5. But I really am not sure how they scored it when there was a knockdown involved. I will say this however, after checking out just the knockdowns on this fight that I'm really not sure if Fusari beat that count in the 10th. Just sayin'.

 

Brandon Rios v Mike Alvarado II

Round 1: 10-9 Rios
Round 2: 10-9 Rios
Round 3: 10-9 Alvarado
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Alvarado
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Rios
Round 8: 10-9 Alvarado
Round 9: 10-9 Alvarado
Round 10: 10-9 Alvarado
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 Alvarado

Total: 117-114 Alvarado (actual scores: 115-113, 115-113 and 114-113 all for Alvarado)

@drenlou , thanks for putting this back on the radar. I recall seeing it live but haven't checked it out since. Such a terrific war these two put on, not to mention their trilogy.

 

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Great fight, specially round nine! As Emanuel Stewart once said: round of the decade!

I had Marcano up, 88-82.

Don't miss this one!!!

 

Antonio, we may have disagreed on our scores but not on the action we witnessed. I checked this out some time back and loved it. This is what I wrote:

Hiroshi Kobayashi v Alfredo Marcano (WBA jr. lightweight title)

Here is a hidden gem of a fight that I am so glad I saw and took a stab at. The story on this that I had heard at the time was that Kobayashi was well ahead and a bit of a fluke that he lost. Well don't you believe it. That's the story you get when the wire services and the judges are all the nationals.

Round 1: 5-4 Marcano
Round 2: 5-4 Marcano
Round 3: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 4: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 5: 5-4 Marcano
Round 6: 5-4 Marcano
Round 7: 5-4 Marcano
Round 8: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 9: 5-4 Kobayashi (Marcano receives a standing 8 count and then scores a knockdown))
Round 10: Marcano drops Kobayashi twice and the corner stops the bout

Total through 9 completed rounds: 41-40 Marcano (actual scores: 43-40, 43-42 and 43-41 all for Kobayashi)

Again, this was a terrific little bout with sharp punches from both fighters connecting throughout the contest. Marcano couldn't seem to miss throughout with his sharp stabbing jab and combos. Kobayashi seemed to hang back until he realized this guy was for real. Marcano became notably tired late in the 7th and Kobayashi really tried to turn the fight around - which he did to a point - before punching himself out after the 9th. The 9th was an amazing round and well worth exercising your judging skills on. Kobayashi really batters a tired Marcano and finally the ref gives him a standing 8 count (I'll bet in retrospect the Japanese ref regretted not stopping the bout). But then a tired Kobayashi walks into a right uppercut and he is down and manages to last to the bell. I gave it to Kobayashi by 1 point because he had a 2 point round before he went down, which deducted a point on my card. By the 10th Marcano had his second wind and Kobayashi was spent. Wild end to a really good fight. One that I enjoyed with its crisp punching throughout.

 

We did? Christ, I’m getting old.

I hope my scorecard was at least similar.

 

Sal, here is the link to that thread:

FIGHT OF THE WEEK 4- Johnny Bratton vs Charley Fusari (70th Anniversary edition) | Page 2 | Boxing News 24 Fan Forum

Strangely enough, you didn't participate, which is unusual in itself, as you usually tackle these things immediately. This was about 4 years ago and you can see we were all a bit confused on how to deal with the Midwest scoring system.